Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[monkeyman]

I think the flames are back tracking now to save face. Throwing Iggy under the bus isn't the way to do it though.
I was listening to the Fan today and they reported that management went to Iggy a month or so ago and told him that if he wanted to stay in Calgary, he'd have to sign at a considerably lower salary then he wanted and wouldn't be given the length of contract he wanted. sounds like the flames were forcing his hand.
Also, on TSN, Chiarelli, speaks about requesting to contact Iggy once he realize there was a problem earlier in the day, and the flames refused him that.
Poor management all the way around.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But the problem is no longer whether or not the team is rebuilding.

It's obvious that the team is rebuilding. But the pieces they're getting in return look to be awful.

I fully expect the Flames to draft around 4th overall, see Feaster go up to the podium, and pick Shinkaruk while Drouin or Barkov are still on the board.

It really seems like they have no idea what they're doing. It doesn't matter whether they're rebuilding or not if they are just plain stupid.

You might be right, but I don't know how any of us can make a judgement on this managements ability to draft up until this point.

I would counter by saying that it would appear that the current management team, if its done anything well, has at least been okay at drafting.

The 2011 draft seems to have been a strong one (at least two players that look like they might end up being difference makers)

I would think that it might be a bit early to make a judgement on the 2012 draft.

There is lots of moving parts with all this stuff and I think Feaster deserves more than a year and a half to determine if he can turn this thing around.

[nik-]

Why wouldn't King just shut his mouth? I'm so sick of this blowhard.

[mister__big]

So Jay Feaster only realized after the fact that he should've had Iggy's 4 teams in writing? And this guy calls himself a lawyer?

I'm no law expert, just a regular businessman and even I know that when you are negotiating anything you ALWAYS have the other party's word in writing to protect yourself when the other person reneges on what they say.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by mister__big

So Jay Feaster only realized after the fact that he should've had Iggy's 4 teams in writing? And this guy calls himself a lawyer?

I'm not law expert and even I know that when you are negotiating anything you ALWAYS have the other party's word in writing to protect yourself when the other person reneges on what they say.

The fact that our management messed up on ROR then on Iginla is mind boggling.

Even more amazing is how any one of them still has a job.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Even Ray Shero mentioned he had to talk to Pens owners before making this move, go watch his presser. Ownership meddling and being part of the process is more usual then anyone here realises I think.

Oh I agree MMF. I understand Murray & Co. has to put the rubber stamp on things, but the feeling I get is that Feaster is a puppet for King (and Murray).

King has been sitting pretty too long for my liking. He's overseen too many moves that have been so bad that's it's hard to ignore.

The Flames need a hockey guy (like browna says) to run things properly..........not a newspaper guy trying to be a hockey guy.

Ken is probably a great guy. But he's not right for this job IMO.

[Jake]

The entire Flames management needs to be shown the door. Everything this team does comes with a boatload a drama due to their incompetence. This is not the way a professional sports team should conduct business.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

You might be right, but I don't know how any of us can make a judgement on this managements ability to draft up until this point.

I would counter by saying that it would appear that the current management team, if its done anything well, has at least been okay at drafting.

The 2011 draft seems to have been a strong one (at least two players that look like they might end up being difference makers)

I would think that it might be a bit early to make a judgement on the 2012 draft.

There is lots of moving parts with all this stuff and I think Feaster deserves more than a year and a half to determine if he can turn this thing around.

Why?

I think we can all agree that the most positive assesment of Feasters tenure so far has been he is utterly incompetant at assesing the teams talent level or playoff potential and so has wasted Iginla as an asset, that alone should get him fired.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Oh I agree MMF. I understand Murray & Co. has to put the rubber stamp on things, but the feeling I get is that Feaster is a puppet for King (and Murray).

King has been sitting pretty too long for my liking. He's overseen too many moves that have been so bad that's it's hard to ignore.

The Flames need a hockey guy (like browna says) to run things properly..........not a newspaper guy trying to be a hockey guy.

Ken is probably a great guy. But he's not right for this job IMO.

Absolutely.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

browna mentioned Hotchkiss. Probably the best comment of the night. The page has turned for this franchise.....and not in a good way.

This is Edwards' team now. Not sure that's a good thing.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by mister__big

So Jay Feaster only realized after the fact that he should've had Iggy's 4 teams in writing? And this guy calls himself a lawyer?

I'm no law expert, just a regular businessman and even I know that when you are negotiating anything you ALWAYS have the other party's word in writing to protect yourself when the other person reneges on what they say.

This guy really needs to get the hell outta town, because every time he opens his mouth he makes himself and the organization look like total ######s.

How is it possible for Iginla to know the teams years ahead of time when you are drawing up his contract and adding those teams in writing? These NMC NTC in contracts are the problem here. It gives the player control of where he is going and severly handcuffs a GM's role in getting the best deal his team. I have no doubt that Feaster told Chiarelli he had a deal only to have Iginla tell Feaster and management that no we don't and i'm going to choose Pittsburgh.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Oh I agree MMF. I understand Murray & Co. has to put the rubber stamp on things, but the feeling I get is that Feaster is a puppet for King (and Murray).

King has been sitting pretty too long for my liking. He's overseen too many moves that have been so bad that's it's hard to ignore.

The Flames need a hockey guy (like browna says) to run things properly..........not a newspaper guy trying to be a hockey guy.

Ken is probably a great guy. But he's not right for this job IMO.

They should have canned King and brought in Davidson when they had the chance.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

How is it possible for Iginla to know the teams years ahead of time when you are drawing up his contract and adding those teams in writing? These NMC NTC in contracts are the problem here. It gives the player control of where he is going and severly handcuffs a GM's role in getting the best deal his team. I have no doubt that Feaster told Chiarelli he had a deal only to have iginla tell Feaster and management that no we don't and i'm going to choose Pittsburgh.

I think what King is alluding to is when they approached Iginla in the last few weeks they should have got him to sign off on a list of teams he would waive his NTC on, I assume ther is a way to make this binding on a player.

Of course what King should have said is we screwed the pooch waiting 2 years too long in a pathetic attempt to continue to squeeze out ticket sales from you poor dumb buggers, not holding my breathe on that admission though.

[browna]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

browna mentioned Hotchkiss. Probably the best comment of the night. The page has turned for this franchise.....and not in a good way.

This is Edwards' team now. Not sure that's a good thing.

That said, Edwards likely still has the best intentions, but King's taken more power that the GM (Sutter) used to have, and I am sure he also has his ideas the last few years since he had the guy in the GM chair that would do whatever he said.

Edwards is also a pretty good businessman, and has taken over Hotchkiss' role in the NHL and I can't imagine seeing the ship sinking and the brand sinking is sitting well with him and his reputation in business and within the NHL.

Now, things such as the ROR offer sheet, and now apparently a debacle with the Iginla trade, has exposed the patch work hierarchy below him that are not only dysfunctional, they're casting a large negative shadow in the general public, let alone the tighter inner hockey circles.

Hopefully he figures this out, takes a step back himself, and gets people in there to run the day to day operations and make better bigger picture decisions.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think what King is alluding to is when they approached Iginla in the last few weeks they should have got him to sign off on a list of teams he would waive his NTC on, I assume ther is a way to make this binding on a player.

I wasn't aware that could be done and if true it doesn't look good on Flames management.

Of course what King should have said is we screwed the pooch waiting 2 years too long in a pathetic attempt to continue to squeeze out ticket sales from you poor dumb buggers, not holding my breathe on that admission though.

Ohhh I agree. We waited way to long and now the process is going to be painful to watch when while we wait for our prospects to develop. What irks me is that we didn't draft and develop a player to take Iggy's place when he is gone. All we have is Svend and alot of questions.

[868904]

Not a fan of management at all as I want Feaster and King gone too, but, could it be that in this case, they decided not to ask Iggy to sign off on teams because they knew Iggy would only sign off on Pittsburgh which would essentially kill any leverage to negotiate?

If that we're the case, they would not be able to negotiate with Boston, Chicago, or LA in "good faith" because Iggy wanted Oittsburgh all along and would not have signed off on the other teams?

[The Yen Man]

I know hindsight is 20/20, but part of me laments the following with regards to management:

1.) We could have brought in Dave Tippet when we had the chance, but chose Brent Sutter instead.

2.) We could have brought in JD, but chose to keep King instead.

3.) We could have brought in Burke, but we chose to keep Feaster.

I wonder what the Flames would look like with JD as president, Burke as GM, and Tippet as head coach.

[atb]

Hockeycentral at noon talked a bit today about the process of trading a player with a NMC. Doug Maclean explained that once a list of teams is received from a player, that this list is signed off by the player and provided to the NHLPA. That gives the GM the freedom needed to make a deal without worrying that the player will change their mind later in the process. Maclean basically stated that this is standard protocol in NMC cases, and couldn't understand why it appeared the Flames didn't follow this process. His guess was that the Flames held Iginla in such high regard that they wanted to give him the final say, which based on King's interview wasn't the case.

It really seems like management screwed this up from a process point of view. I'm happy Iggy ended up with his team of choice, but the poor decisions by management resulted in a less than ideal return. This combined with the ROR situation just crushes my faith in this group's ability to fix the problems with this team .

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Keep Weisbroad. The rest should go.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Just mind boggling asset management over the years, Phaneuf, Regehr, Iginla turned into Stajan, Butler and 30th overall.

Bravo.

I hope they are all proud of themselves.

Don't forget we also gave up a second in the Regehr trade. So really Stajan, Butler, and we moved up 14 spots in the draft. Oh and that pick turned out to be Jake McCabe, who looks like he'll be a pretty good player. I'd take him over the 30th pick in this draft.