[Signing] Ducks agree to 8 yr extension with Perry ($8.625M AAV)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dion

The insanity continues! It's looking more and more like the lockout was a waste of time. A bunch of other owners in league are probably cursing Ducks management for the 2 ridiculous contracts they just gave out. The going rate for a top line player just went to over $8 mill.

What difference does it make how much any one player makes? IT doesn't change the total cost of salaries

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Ducks had to sign him...

This is just a few hundred K less than what Crosby and Malkin cost... these guys are good, but they aren't Crosby and Malkin good

Like you said, the Ducks felt they had to sign Getzlaf and Perry and they are paid like franchise players, which pretty much means they can command max dollars if they wanted to.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

For what? There's literally not another team in the league that would be offering Perry 69M, it would require a 10M cap hit.

Murray was in the driver seat, if he really wanted Perry he could throw this type of money at him and keep him.

You're assuming Perry is only interested in money and all Murray needed to do was throw money at Perry. While there isn't another team that can give Perry an 8 year extension, there are countless of teams that can give Perry something like 7 years at $8M a year, while perhaps offering Perry a better chance to win.

Originally Posted by 868904

How good is your scouting, drafting, and development to be able to pick two guys like that at 19th and 28th overall?

Very good, although the 2003 draft is regarded as one of the best drafts ever.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What difference does it make how much any one player makes? IT doesn't change the total cost of salaries

It sets the bar for what other players of a similar calibre will be asking for from their teams GM's. You are correct that it doesn't change the total cost of salaries but at the same time it limits the number of top line players they can keep on their team.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by FAN

You're assuming Perry is only interested in money and all Murray needed to do was throw money at Perry. While there isn't another team that can give Perry an 8 year extension, there are countless of teams that can give Perry something like 7 years at $8M a year, while perhaps offering Perry a better chance to win.

Yes, Perry could have taken a 13M pay cut with another team, or even the Ducks if he wanted. He didn't though, so what are you suggesting?

I'm not trying to assume anything about Perry, but if it was going to take 69M to sign him, outside of a sign-and-trade, I feel there was only 1 team capable of offering him that. So, not sure why Murray deserves "props" for throwing money at a guy.

And if Perry didn't care about the cash and wanted to stay with the Ducks anyways, that's far worse for Murray.

And I'm not even commenting on whether or not it was a good move by Murray, time will tell, but because of the new CBA situations like this will always favour the GM that's capable of offering an 8 year contract over the ones who are only allowed a 7, it's obviously very intentional.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Dion

It sets the bar for what other players of a similar calibre will be asking for from their teams GM's. You are correct that it doesn't change the total cost of salaries but at the same time it limits the number of top line players they can keep on their team.

Not really thought because it will also limit the number of players classified as top line players. All it really does is force an increase discrepancy between the 1A (let's call them) and say 1B stars. Doesn't really hurt a teams ability to keep or sign the same volume of good players, just means that the teams may chose to compensate the best of the best higher and drop the salaries paid to the next tire of star player.

[Nasty]

So i guess Perry and Getzlaf can negotiate an extension during the season but Iginla cannot?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And I'm not even commenting on whether or not it was a good move by Murray, time will tell, but because of the new CBA situations like this will always favour the GM that's capable of offering an 8 year contract over the ones who are only allowed a 7, it's obviously very intentional.

IMO that's a good thing as the Ducks developed the guy so why shouldn't they have the inside track on keeping him? NFL seems to understand this which is why they have the franchise tag.

[FlamesAddiction]

This what you should expect top players get when they first make it to unrestricted free agency. It's a great sigining.

If you do not want to pay this amount, then you won't get top players over the age of 27.

[Bertuzzied]

The Ducks are going to regret re-signing Puke Perry in about 3 years. He is going to be totally passive by then.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Nasty

So i guess Perry and Getzlaf can negotiate an extension during the season but Iginla cannot?

At these rates Iggy is going to want $6 mil.

Pass!

[East Coast Flame]

Great signing for the Ducks. I would take that contract for Perry in a second.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO that's a good thing as the Ducks developed the guy so why shouldn't they have the inside track on keeping him?

I never suggested they shouldn't. I actually like the rule. I just don't see a reason to "give props" to Murray, he was pretty much fighting a downhill battle here because of the rule. Unless reading the CBA is now the new benchmark thanks to Feaster's O'Reilly's situation

Signing Perry and Getzlaf would be easy if you're willing to give them that much, it wasn't a question of if he could sign them both but if he would sign them both, in my opinion.

Now that he's decided to go this route the team's going to be very top heavy. The trio of Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan will have about the same cap hit as Toews, Kane, Hossa and Sharp combined, in large part because of Hossa's retirement contract. Although I would be expecting the Ducks to retool a bit this off season, if we do assume there's no major changes with the Ducks between now and next season Murray's going to be in tough trying to replace Selanne and Koivu with about 5M worth of cap space (after signing all the filler spots). And that's only if they decide to be a cap team.

But Murray obviously feels that's easier to do than trying to replace Perry's scoring, and probably a ton of people would agree with him there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

At these rates Iggy is going to want $6 mil.

Pass!

Doan's contract last year set the stage for Iginla to get 3-4 years at 6m per...so yeah, the Flames should be trading Jarome because we aren't going to win anything paying Iginla that much money at this stage.

[you got PHANUEFED]

This will come back to haunt the franchise eventually but for now they seem like a serious contender.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Dion

The insanity continues! It's looking more and more like the lockout was a waste of time. A bunch of other owners in league are probably cursing Ducks management for the 2 ridiculous contracts they just gave out. The going rate for a top line player just went to over $8 mill.

I really don't understand this argument. Yes, these two guys are being paid $8M. But guess what? The cap is still a finite number of $60M next year. Whatever the Ducks decide to do, they still can only spend to that $60M. So how was the lockout a waste of time?

What I predict may happen is that the gap between the superstar group and the rest of the NHL players will widen, with the superstars getting more money and the 3rd and 4th liners getting less.

[Flash Walken]

Stanley Cup winning Hart and Rocket Richard Trophy winners are expensive.

Wingers who win the Hart don't grow on trees.

[Fire]

The Ducks better hope Perry and Getzlaf don't return to their 2011-12 form.

[cannon7]

That's a lot of cheddar, but probably worth it. Perry and Getzlaf are the Ducks' pillars, without them they have little. Although this makes me think they're going to have trouble re-signing Bobby Ryan -- so my hopes have now shifted to him.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

At these rates Iggy is going to want $6 mil.

Pass!

Yeah, no kidding! Not sure he's worth $6M anymore...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yeah, no kidding! Not sure he's worth $6M anymore...

Not sure? I'm positive he's not worth $6M. That doesn't mean crazy NHL GM's think the same though.