THN asks NHL scouts to re-rank last draft

[simmer2]

This is a fun thread to bump...Likely a fair bit of moving around spots now.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by simmer2

This is a fun thread to bump...Likely a fair bit of moving around spots now.

Usually when one bumps a 3 year old thread it's a good idea to post some of the "fun" you speak of.

[Funkhouser]

This would be my re-draft...
funny to see how many late-rounders stepped-up in this draft! Especially in net.

1 - Shayne Gostisbehere (78)
2 - Filip Forsberg (11)
3 - Matt Murray (83)
4 - Conner Hellebuyck (130)
5 - Colton Parayko (86)
6 - Hampus Lindholm (6)
7 - Morgan Reilly (5)
8 - Frederik Andersen (87)
9 - Alex Galchenyuk (3)
10 - Ryan Murry (2)
11 - Olli Maata (22)
12 - Matthew Dumba (7)
13 - Andrei Vasilevski (19)
14 - Tomas Hertl (17)
15 - Joonas Korpisalo (62)
16 - Jacob Trouba (9)
17 - Jimmy Vesey (66)
18 - Damon Severson (60)
19 - Ben Hutton (147)
20 - Jaccob Slavin (120)
21 - Jake McCabe (44)
22 - Tanner Pearson (30)
23 - Malcolm Subban (24)
24 - Charlie Hudon (122)
25 - Cody Ceci (15)
26 - Jon Gilles (75)
27 - Nail Yakupov (1)
28 - Zemgus Girgensons (14)
29 - Teuvo Teravainen (18)
30 - Tom Wilson (16)


PS - Summer is boring

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

This would be my re-draft...
funny to see how many late-rounders stepped-up in this draft! Especially in net.

1 - Shayne Gostisbehere (78)
2 - Filip Forsberg (11)
3 - Matt Murray (83)
4 - Conner Hellebuyck (130)
5 - Colton Parayko (86)
6 - Hampus Lindholm (6)
7 - Morgan Reilly (5)
8 - Frederik Andersen (87)
9 - Alex Galchenyuk (3)
10 - Ryan Murry (2)
11 - Olli Maata (22)
12 - Matthew Dumba (7)
13 - Andrei Vasilevski (19)
14 - Tomas Hertl (17)
15 - Joonas Korpisalo (62)
16 - Jacob Trouba (9)
17 - Jimmy Vesey (66)
18 - Damon Severson (60)
19 - Ben Hutton (147)
20 - Jaccob Slavin (120)
21 - Jake McCabe (44)
22 - Tanner Pearson (30)
23 - Malcolm Subban (24)
24 - Charlie Hudon (122)
25 - Cody Ceci (15)
26 - Jon Gilles (75)
27 - Nail Yakupov (1)
28 - Zemgus Girgensons (14)
29 - Teuvo Teravainen (18)
30 - Tom Wilson (16)


PS - Summer is boring

Just goes to show that pre-draft ranking mean nothing. I love re-drafts, because they are almost always completely different then how the ''experts'' rank them during that period in time. All the nitpicking of stats, ranks and endless arguments. Yet down the road it's almost always completely different.

[Jason14h]

I am just impressed how much effort you put into redraft ! I might not put that much effort into work tomorrow

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

This would be my re-draft...
funny to see how many late-rounders stepped-up in this draft! Especially in net.

1 - Shayne Gostisbehere (78)
2 - Filip Forsberg (11)
3 - Matt Murray (83)
4 - Conner Hellebuyck (130)
5 - Colton Parayko (86)
6 - Hampus Lindholm (6)
7 - Morgan Reilly (5)
8 - Frederik Andersen (87)
9 - Alex Galchenyuk (3)
10 - Ryan Murry (2)
11 - Olli Maata (22)
12 - Matthew Dumba (7)
13 - Andrei Vasilevski (19)
14 - Tomas Hertl (17)
15 - Joonas Korpisalo (62)
16 - Jacob Trouba (9)
17 - Jimmy Vesey (66)
18 - Damon Severson (60)
19 - Ben Hutton (147)
20 - Jaccob Slavin (120)
21 - Jake McCabe (44)
22 - Tanner Pearson (30)
23 - Malcolm Subban (24)
24 - Charlie Hudon (122)
25 - Cody Ceci (15)
26 - Jon Gilles (75)
27 - Nail Yakupov (1)
28 - Zemgus Girgensons (14)
29 - Teuvo Teravainen (18)
30 - Tom Wilson (16)


PS - Summer is boring

should show this to people who are distraught we didn't move up in the lottery and to the folks who would like to trade Bennett+6 for a higher pick

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I mean, sure, lots of effort, but it largely makes no sense. Connor Hellebuyck and Colton Parayko are 4/5 ahead of Morgan Reilly, who is basically a top pairing defenseman, and Olli Maata who's pretty close himself? Korpisalo, a backup with some upside, is ranked ahead of Tanner freakin' Pearson and Nail Yakupov? I guarantee if you tried to trade Yakupov for Korpisalo (or for that matter Matt Dumba) you'd have a deal immediately... one could go on.

[simmer2]

1) Gostisbehere
2) Forsberg
3)Trouba
4) Lindholm
5) Reilly
6) Galcheynuk
7) Dumba
8) Parayko
9) Hertl
10) Maata

This is my first attempt at top 10....and man does that draft heavily favour great dmen.

[Flashpoint]

A better exercise might be to redraft those players from the first 60 selections. Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody was going to burn a first or second on a player ultimately taken 130th. If every team in the league passed on you 3 times, you weren't on the radar, so it seems unfair to criticize the top selections based on the info at the time.

Even so, Yakupov still in round one huh? Seems weird since he's a dud.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

This would be my re-draft...
funny to see how many late-rounders stepped-up in this draft! Especially in net.

1 - Shayne Gostisbehere (78)
2 - Filip Forsberg (11)
3 - Matt Murray (83)
4 - Conner Hellebuyck (130)
5 - Colton Parayko (86)
6 - Hampus Lindholm (6)
7 - Morgan Reilly (5)
8 - Frederik Andersen (87)
9 - Alex Galchenyuk (3)
10 - Ryan Murry (2)
11 - Olli Maata (22)
12 - Matthew Dumba (7)
13 - Andrei Vasilevski (19)
14 - Tomas Hertl (17)
15 - Joonas Korpisalo (62)
16 - Jacob Trouba (9)
17 - Jimmy Vesey (66)
18 - Damon Severson (60)
19 - Ben Hutton (147)
20 - Jaccob Slavin (120)
21 - Jake McCabe (44)
22 - Tanner Pearson (30)
23 - Malcolm Subban (24)
24 - Charlie Hudon (122)
25 - Cody Ceci (15)
26 - Jon Gilles (75)
27 - Nail Yakupov (1)
28 - Zemgus Girgensons (14)
29 - Teuvo Teravainen (18)
30 - Tom Wilson (16)


PS - Summer is boring

This is why looking at re-drafts so many years later is pointless. 6 goalies taken in the 1st round. I don't think that's ever happened, nor will it ever happen. Even if it was a weak draft for skaters, there's no way a team will take those kind of risks on goalies in round 1.

Not trying to rag on your attempt to re-draft, but it just points out how it almost never resembles the reality of drafting.

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

This would be my re-draft...
funny to see how many late-rounders stepped-up in this draft! Especially in net.

1 - Shayne Gostisbehere (78)
2 - Filip Forsberg (11)
3 - Matt Murray (83)
4 - Conner Hellebuyck (130)
5 - Colton Parayko (86)
6 - Hampus Lindholm (6)
7 - Morgan Reilly (5)
8 - Frederik Andersen (87)
9 - Alex Galchenyuk (3)

Time to start watching more Habs and Leafs games.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, sure, lots of effort, but it largely makes no sense. Connor Hellebuyck and Colton Parayko are 4/5 ahead of Morgan Reilly, who is basically a top pairing defenseman, and Olli Maata who's pretty close himself? Korpisalo, a backup with some upside, is ranked ahead of Tanner freakin' Pearson and Nail Yakupov? I guarantee if you tried to trade Yakupov for Korpisalo (or for that matter Matt Dumba) you'd have a deal immediately... one could go on.

Why not give it a shot yourself instead of ripping on it? It's the summer. It's boring.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is why looking at re-drafts so many years later is pointless. 6 goalies taken in the 1st round. I don't think that's ever happened, nor will it ever happen. Even if it was a weak draft for skaters, there's no way a team will take those kind of risks on goalies in round 1.

Not trying to rag on your attempt to re-draft, but it just points out how it almost never resembles the reality of drafting.

You're right, it would never happen...
BUT since we have the gift of hindsight this would be my re-draft based on potential. I would argue that the goalie class from that year is showing much more potential as potential #1s than the forwards in the class of which there are few top-liners.

2012 was an odd draft.

(@CHL - and yes, at this point Korpisalo and Dumba > Yakupov who is no good)

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is why looking at re-drafts so many years later is pointless. 6 goalies taken in the 1st round. I don't think that's ever happened, nor will it ever happen. Even if it was a weak draft for skaters, there's no way a team will take those kind of risks on goalies in round 1.

Not trying to rag on your attempt to re-draft, but it just points out how it almost never resembles the reality of drafting.

This may be true, but you could also say it's pointless to argue pre-draft as well, since things always end up completely different anyways.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is why looking at re-drafts so many years later is pointless. 6 goalies taken in the 1st round. I don't think that's ever happened, nor will it ever happen. Even if it was a weak draft for skaters, there's no way a team will take those kind of risks on goalies in round 1.



Not trying to rag on your attempt to re-draft, but it just points out how it almost never resembles the reality of drafting.

I think that's the point, that and that it's fun to look back. Any time you re-draft 3+ years out you're going to get names jumping up and dropping all over the place, because the draft is largely imperfect.

Of course it's mostly pointless, so is 99% of the discussion that goes on here. So what?

Originally Posted by darthma

Why not give it a shot yourself instead of ripping on it? It's the summer. It's boring.

If he did that, it wouldn't be a classic Corsi post!

[MrMike]

I remember Forsberg was projected top 3 but dropped all the way to eleventh with Colorados pick (that Washington got in the Varlamov trade)

Colorado could still have Shattenkirk, Stastny, O'rielly and Forsberg but instead have what to show for it?

[bax]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I remember Forsberg was projected top 3 but dropped all the way to eleventh with Colorados pick (that Washington got in the Varlamov trade)

Colorado could still have Shattenkirk, Stastny, O'rielly and Forsberg but instead have what to show for it?

Johnson, Varlamov, Siemens, Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher? I think a second round pick too.

I get your point, but Stastny left a free agent so he shouldn't really be included in that

[Hockey Fan #751]

Funny about Forsberg. Great move, taking him 11th. But then trading him for Erat? Shows they had no idea what they were doing!

[FanIn80]

Having another Forsberg playing in Colorado would be just weird. I know they've already retired #21, but they should just retire the name too.

Imagine someone else named Iginla playing for the Flames. No thanks.

(I mean it's not like the guy is named Smith or Johnson or whatever. Forsberg and Iginla are pretty unique names in the history of the NHL.)

[Benched]

lol Yakupov