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StrykerSteve · 03-06-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think it's amazing how many of our prospects hit a wall when they transition from juniors to pro hockey. It's really starting to looking more and more like the Flames aren't a poor drafting team, but instead are by far the worst at developing prospects in the NHL. These guys have no idea what they're doing.

Enough with players like Kolanos and Walter in Abbotsford. It is inexcusable to see Reinhart sitting, or seeing Baertschi get benched an entire period during the lockout.

Winning comes first even at the AHL level for the Flames, though they haven't even been doing a good job at it down there.

To be fair, the Heat were the top team in the AHL with Baertschi in their lineup.

indes · 03-06-2013, 10:32 PM

I think he could use a solid conditioning stint, I think he was ready to make the jump for sure before his injury in the ahl, but with back to back injuries he could use some playing time to get back into game shape. Doesn't look terrible out there but he needs the ice time to get his game underneath him.

kyuss275 · 03-06-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by iggyloob12

He gets sent down when Backlund is ready to return.

I agree. If everyone is healthy when Backlund comes back there will be no room for him on the top 9.

Still need Sven now though. Comeau is not going to come in relief like tonight for every game.

iggyloob12 · 03-06-2013, 10:33 PM

Could use the confidence boost of scoring in the A, from the looks of it.

Captain_Obvious · 03-06-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think it's amazing how many of our prospects hit a wall when they transition from juniors to pro hockey. It's really starting to looking more and more like the Flames aren't a poor drafting team, but instead are by far the worst at developing prospects in the NHL. These guys have no idea what they're doing.

Enough with players like Kolanos and Walter in Abbotsford. It is inexcusable to see Reinhart sitting, or seeing Baertschi get benched an entire period during the lockout.

Winning comes first even at the AHL level for the Flames, though they haven't even been doing a good job at it down there.

Baertschi has lost all the confidence he had coming from junior. That blows my mind. Changes need to be made regarding player development, and quick. Something isn't working, and hasn't been working for a long time.

This kind of judgement and comment is mind blowing considering the injury Sven is coming off while transitioning to the pro game. Complete over-reaction.

Ashasx · 03-06-2013, 10:35 PM

The Flames don't "need" Sven right now. I think he could use time on the second PP unit, but not the location they have him in (left circle is an awful spot for a left handed shot). Give his 8 minutes to one of the sitting bottom 6 forwards.

Baertschi cannot be effective given his ice time right now, given his role.

SuperMatt18 · 03-06-2013, 10:35 PM

Millions mentioned Sven was sore after hit from Murray but looked okay.

Likely Hartley just protecting the young player who is not physicallyready for thee pro game yet.

kyuss275 · 03-06-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Millions mentioned Sven was sore after hit from Murray but looked okay.

Likely Hartley just protecting the young player who is not physicallyready for thee pro game yet.

Assistant coach said Sven was not having a good game. They shortened the bench and Comeau was playing great.

Thats the way i saw it also on tv. Sven's 2nd period was his worst period so far.

kyuss275 · 03-06-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames don't "need" Sven right now. I think he could use time on the second PP unit, but not the location they have him in (left circle is an awful spot for a left handed shot). Give his 8 minutes to one of the sitting bottom 6 forwards.

Baertschi cannot be effective given his ice time right now, given his role.

They still need him or need to send him down and bring Horak up. Comeau was great tonight be he should not be a regular top 9 for the next 5 games or so, or whenever Backlund comes back.

StrykerSteve · 03-06-2013, 10:54 PM

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg According to #Flames Associate Coach Jacques Cloutier, Baertschi didn't play in the 3rd period for performance reasons.

Psytic · 03-06-2013, 10:57 PM

Is there any proof that over ripening prospects hurts their development? I heard the Red Wings do this and I think Bart should be down leading the Heat and being the man down there. He gets very little time and space at the NHL lvl and he has been unable to advance his skills since he rarely can stay on the puck long enough to do anything at the NHL lvl. What harm could be done by sending him down.

Caged Great · 03-06-2013, 11:01 PM

The Red Wings didn't have space for Gustav Nyquist who they want to slot into a top 6 position because he wasn't quite ready to start the year. He's ripping apart the AHL with 57 points in 54 games. That's how you develop players, by fostering success so that once they are ready for the NHL they can step in and have success.

Having Sven getting 8 minutes a night with bad linemates does not help his development

kyuss275 · 03-06-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Red Wings didn't have space for Gustav Nyquist who they want to slot into a top 6 position because he wasn't quite ready to start the year. He's ripping apart the AHL with 57 points in 54 games. That's how you develop players, by fostering success so that once they are ready for the NHL they can step in and have success.

Having Sven getting 8 minutes a night with bad linemates does not help his development

Bad linemates? He played with Cammi and Tangs for the last 2 games.

Caged Great · 03-06-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Bad linemates? He played with Cammi and Tangs for the last 2 games.

I was referring mainly to the prior games although I wouldn't say Cammalleri and Tanguay are performing all that good exactly.

Bar-Down · 03-06-2013, 11:46 PM

When Backlund gets back I'm sure Sven will be sent down. They will need to make a roster spot and there is not point in having Sven sit on the 4th line and being benched for periods at a time.

Vedder · 03-06-2013, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar-Down

When Backlund gets back I'm sure Sven will be sent down. They will need to make a roster spot and there is not point in having Sven sit on the 4th line and being benched for periods at a time.

Unfortunately for Sven, Backlund's return is much more crucial for the team. Any chance he takes the road trip with the team? They could really use him against ANA and LA given their center depth.

moon · 03-07-2013, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Red Wings didn't have space for Gustav Nyquist who they want to slot into a top 6 position because he wasn't quite ready to start the year. He's ripping apart the AHL with 57 points in 54 games. That's how you develop players, by fostering success so that once they are ready for the NHL they can step in and have success.

Having Sven getting 8 minutes a night with bad linemates does not help his development

The Red Wings are in a very different cycle than we are.

Easy for them to keep young guys down coming off their cup wins and appearances plus decent play-off performances.

The Flames are coming off 3 years out and another year out looking likely with zero players at the level of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Vulcan · 03-07-2013, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

The Red Wings are in a very different cycle than we are.

Easy for them to keep young guys down coming off their cup wins and appearances plus decent play-off performances.

The Flames are coming off 3 years out and another year out looking likely with zero players at the level of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

I don't quite buy that. To me it looks like the Wings could be in tough to make the playoffs this season and could use whatever help they could get.

bluloc · 03-07-2013, 06:09 AM

He's definitely having some growing pains as to be expected. Sending him down to the AHL wouldn't be a bad idea especially when Backs gets back. I'm not to worried about his development remember it took Thornton awhile to adjust to the NHL. He needs to tweak certain aspects of his game then I think the points will come.

nemanja2306 · 03-07-2013, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

He seems to be like most rookies, especially offesnsively minded guys like himself, that he is inconsistent and having a hard time doing all the little things that makes you a successful NHL player.

I think it depends on what you expected from him and as a 13th pick I think he is doing fine but as a guy that we saw take big steps in Junior to be possibly better than that 13th pick there sure would be some concerns.

I think he has shown enough that there still is some hope that he will turn out to be a top 6 (or more) guy but he definitely has to improve overall to allow the coaches to put him in those situations.

I think that he should get some more PP time to help get his confidence/use his skills but it is tough for him as the Flames don't seem to be able to give him those minutes with their goal of making the play-offs as the number 1 goal.

"Some hope"?