Jason Kenney wants to take away Cdn citizenship from terrorists

[GP_Matt]

This rule only makes sense if we have a way to revoke the citizenship of Canadians with no other citizenship.
What if two people got together to commit an act of terrorism, one of them held dual citizenship and the other was only Canadian. They are both caught and convicted of the same thing and go to jail for 20 years. When they are released we welcome the Canadian back into society assume that he is rehabilitated and move on. The dual citizen serves his prison term and is then escorted out of the country and asked never to return?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

You are saying they can't come back. Try leaving the country you are living or entering Canada without a valid passport. "suspending" someones citizenship would effectively make their passport invalid.

Revoking citizenship based on time in country is quite possible one of the single most backwards things I have ever heard.

The assumption was, based on the original post, that the person was a dual citizen.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if you are a citizen of another country and you apply to become a Canadian citizen, you should have to renounce your citizenship of your former country.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02...-in-terrorism/

Frankly, I am of the opinion that you should get bent. I have dual-citizenship, and listening to you say ######ED crap like this pisses me off. Seriously, get bent.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you don't want to renounce your Icelandic citizenship, just don't apply for Canadian citizenship.... remain a landed immigrant.

I see you answered what I was going to ask below, as in why in gods name would you care if someone had a dual citizenship.

How can you be loyal to two different countries, especially in times of conflict? People chose to move here, away from their home country making Canada their NEW home. Nobody forced them to come here and apply for citizenship. People of dual citizenship want their cake and they want to eat it too. Its time to chose where your loyalties lie.

You're right, ultimately this conflict between Iceland and Canada has lasted for decades with so many lives lost... Oh wait, no. wtf.

Why should you have more rights and options that a Canadian who doesn't hold dual citizenship? ie. one who was born here. Chose which country you want to be loyal to, I say.

So this is the crux of it, you are upset people who earned citizenship's in two countries have more options than you??

I have the same "rights" as you in Canada, no more, no less. But obviously the problem you have is that I have more options because our family took a very difficult journey to uproot from our homeland and come to Canada. Now because of the sacrifices and struggles we benefit from two awesome places to call home.

[Thor]

Also would like to add an Icelander discovered North America, my ancestor Leif Ericson (Leif the lucky) so ultimately you're on my land all you dirty immigrants!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Ericson

[CaptainCrunch]

Oh yeah, if you're so tough why is your land green and not an ice filled hellhole wasteland.

You've gone soft Icelander soft.

[Coach]

I'm a dual citizen born in the states and moved her when I was 4. I like having the option and advantage of dual citizen but faced with having to choose I would be Canadian hands down.

As for the topic, I really don't see a problem with revoking citizenship of those committing terrorist acts. Who cares? Theyre war criminals and murderers. Let em rot is some jail somewhere with no nation for all I care. They give up their rights as citizens of anywhere as soon as they choose to belong to these groups. I dont want them associated with this beautiful country.

[Street Pharmacist]

I'm dual Dutch/Canadian. My dad was a landed immigrant for 34 years. One of his proudest moments was finally getting his citizenship two years ago.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Thor

You're right, ultimately this conflict between Iceland and Canada has lasted for decades with so many lives lost... Oh wait, no. wtf.

The best war is the one you didn't even know happened. Our Dear Leader, Comrade Harper, says that once we finish the beer factories and the naval base in Reykjavik, our next stop is clear: the Shetland Islands!

This will keep us on schedule for world conquest by 2525.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jammies

This will keep us on schedule for world conquest by 2525.

Well, only if man is still alive.

There is always 7510 though to look forward to.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

I just cant fathom why an honest law abiding family should revoke their citizenship to live in Canada, that is simply xenophobic and stupid.

Of my 5 siblings, 4 of us have moved back and forth between both nations over the last 30 years. All of us, hard working, educated people who love both countries.

I wish more people have even a clue how hard it is to go through the immigration system legitimately, it took 5 years of applications and showing we had money in order to emigrate into Canada. I know people love to harp on immigration because they are afraid of darkies and arabs, but its often from a place of fear and ignorance.

Yep.

I'm a dual citizen as well after moving to the US in '96. I moved back in '99, so I'm glad I didn't loose my Canadian citizenship. Been here ever since and not planning on going anywhere else.

[Slava]

Interesting editorial on the subject here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comme...rticle8305275/

They note a number of points that posters here have noted with incongruity for dual citizens as opposed to born and raised Canadians as well as the whole slippery slope that could happen as well.

[JohnnyB]

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that Jason Kenney is completely incompetent in his post because he is either unaware of or does not care about the damage he has been doing to Canada's reputation internationally and that this is bound to hurt Canadians in the long run, even the xenophobic ones.

Perhaps I'm biased in that I am a Canadian who has been living abroad for many years, but that also puts me in a much better position to see how opinion of Canada is changing internationally, for the worse. Canada has ####ed over so many immigration applicants, and is making it so much less friendly for new applicants that Canada is not only losing a lot of it's image as a friendly country internationally but is also losing investment that is going to places like Australia instead.

I can't wait for the Jason Kenney to be out on his ass for the damage he is doing to Canada internationally in terms of reputation and domestically in terms of lost investment and business.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It can only be possible if this applies to all citizenships, not just immigrants.
Citizenships don't come with a A class & B class depending if you were born here.

How do you take away the citizenship of a born and raised Canadian with no other citizenship?

And if this goes through, I want to see every Canadian criminal of any skin colour booted in the name or terrorism for acts that can be seen that way.

Something tells me my definition of terrorism & citizen differ from Kenney's though.

This.

You are either a Canadian citizen and entitled to all rights, privileges and responsibilities associated with citizenship or you're not.

There cannot and should not be 2 classes of citizenship.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that Jason Kenney is completely incompetent in his post because he is either unaware of or does not care about the damage he has been doing to Canada's reputation internationally and that this is bound to hurt Canadians in the long run, even the xenophobic ones.

Perhaps I'm biased in that I am a Canadian who has been living abroad for many years, but that also puts me in a much better position to see how opinion of Canada is changing internationally, for the worse. Canada has ####ed over so many immigration applicants, and is making it so much less friendly for new applicants that Canada is not only losing a lot of it's image as a friendly country internationally but is also losing investment that is going to places like Australia instead.

I can't wait for the Jason Kenney to be out on his ass for the damage he is doing to Canada internationally in terms of reputation and domestically in terms of lost investment and business.

So closing loopholes, trying to shut down sex trade importing, and the lucrative illegal immigration business he's hurt our reputation over seas?

Its funny that the Conservatives have become very popular in the immigration communities because Kenney has actually tried to make the immigration system fair for those people that want to work within the system.

He's probably the only immigration minister that has actually made that portfolio efficient and effective.

If it makes us less popular among the groups that make money smuggling people in, or who make money by forcing girls to pay off their debts in massage parlors and in brothels then I'm really really upset about that.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

This.

You are either a Canadian citizen and entitled to all rights, privileges and responsibilities associated with citizenship or you're not.

There cannot and should not be 2 classes of citizenship.

I think that the commonality that we're seeing is that these terrorists are immigrants who applied for citizenship and then basically went overseas and didn't or rarely returned. To me I have no problem with a citizenship strip under those circumstances, its pretty clear that the desire is to gain a passport that allows them to travel with less scrutiny.

I would have problem with a born and bread Canadian having his citizenship stripped, but maybe that's something that has to be dealt with by the justice system.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I'm a dual citizen born in the states and moved her when I was 4. I like having the option and advantage of dual citizen but faced with having to choose I would be Canadian hands down.

It's better for you to dump the US and get just Canadian, otherwise you're technically on the hook for taxes in both countries.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Minnie

It's better for you to dump the US and get just Canadian, otherwise you're technically on the hook for taxes in both countries.

Sure, but there are things you can do to minimize that issue as well, if its a big enough factor to worry about.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So closing loopholes, trying to shut down sex trade importing, and the lucrative illegal immigration business he's hurt our reputation over seas?

Its funny that the Conservatives have become very popular in the immigration communities because Kenney has actually tried to make the immigration system fair for those people that want to work within the system.

He's probably the only immigration minister that has actually made that portfolio efficient and effective.

If it makes us less popular among the groups that make money smuggling people in, or who make money by forcing girls to pay off their debts in massage parlors and in brothels then I'm really really upset about that.

How about wiping out thousands of backlogged immigration applications that people had been waiting years on and whose families had invested and committed enormous amounts of time and money towards? Families and individuals who are not involved in anything illegal, but then found themselves having their application wiped out years after it had legally been submitted and accepted for processing.

Or how about cutting down on refugees and people applying on humanitarian grounds while at the same time allowing a Chinese miners into BC as "skilled workers" for a Chinese mining company because their unique skill is that they speak Chinese? Workers whose own humanitarian conditions are likely to be compromised in Canada as a result of the arrangement.

Not to mention the legions of students and young people who are going to countries like Australia instead because Canada makes it unnecessarily hard for them to get a visa to come study here, even on a short term basis such as a few months.

I don't think anyone has a problem with keeping criminals out of the country, but criminals are hardly the only one affected by these policies and as a result Canada's reputation is being damaged internationally and money is going elsewhere.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I don't think anyone has a problem with keeping criminals out of the country, but criminals are hardly the only one affected by these policies and as a result Canada's reputation is being damaged internationally and money is going elsewhere.

Is there any source for this claim? Not that I don't believe you, it's just the first I've heard of it.