Are Kiprusoff and Iginla really the problem?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by renny

Anybody noticed that he switched to a CCM stick rather than his usual Easton twigs?

Well, a stick is a lot stronger than a twig, IMO.

[kirant]

When you're turning to a 35 year old power forward and a 36 year old athletic-based goaltender to run the team, you've got a serious lack of quality players.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They're not the problem. The problem is lack of succession. Kiprusoff should not be required to play 70+ games and some young players should be pushing Iginla to the 2nd line by now.

From the quotes I read from Hartley and Feaster, it seems more to me like Kipper wants to play 70 games and sitting on the bench any amount of time is not something he is very fond of.

[rotten42]

I have never thought as Iginla as a leader. They need to change the culture of that dressing room.

[Zlars318]

I think Iginla may be a problem but Kipper is the only reason we are a solid 9th place team.

[Stay Golden]

The problem is the entire organization from the president to any past coach or GM ignoring season after season since 2004. We do not need to find a bonafide #1 Center.
Also Cammy should be traded his production just goes down every season since his 39 goals. He has not lived up to that Montreal contract with each passing season.
He should be traded with a second round pick to COL for O'Reilly or at least see if its something COL would consider.

[boggledepot]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The problem is the entire organization from the president to any past coach or GM ignoring season after season since 2004. We do not need to find a bonafide #1 Center.
Also Cammy should be traded his production just goes down every season since his 39 goals. He has not lived up to that Montreal contract with each passing season.
He should be traded with a second round pick to COL for O'Reilly or at least see if its something COL would consider.

It is posts like this that force me to question the rationality behind the popular opinion of blowing up this team.

Cammy's contract is probably not a great one, but in one case he did live up to it. His twelve goals (or whatever it was) in nineteen games during Montreal's playoff run, where they took out Pittsburgh and Washington, was impressive. Yes, it is only one occasion, but he did come through when it mattered the most.

But the worst part of this post is that there is the admission that Cammy's contract is terrible, and he's getting worse every year; we should trade him to Colorado. But why would our divisional rivals want to relieve us of such a burden and take it upon themselves?

I'm sorry, but such a blatant fail of logic in within this argument forces me to question the creditability of some of the popular opinions on this site.

[BurningSteel]

The solution is quite simple......#12 in net and meet our new power forward #34,,,,,,its really no crazier than the time Sutter but 5 Dman on the ice at the same time

[DeluxeMoustache]

I don't think that Kipper or Iginla are the problem in any way. Sure, Kipper had a couple of shaky games out of the gate. The last couple he has been very good.

As for Iggy, consensus is that last year was a bad year for Iginla. Among forwards in a 30 team league, he was 19th in goals and 26th in points. The year before, 3rd in goals and 6th in points. I expect that if he keeps playing as he is and his shooting percentage moves from 3% back to the normal 12% or so range, his offense will not be a problem. He will obviously not play forever, but is still a top player in some important categories.

Given that the cupboard was pretty bare after some sketchy drafting, Feaster has done a pretty darn good job in my opinion with the roster in providing skill, smarts and depth.

Looking at Detroit, after Datsyuk and Zetterberg, they have a guy in Franzen that will get some goals, then a lot of commodities yet to prove themselves. And after Kronwall and maybe Ericsson on D.

On Calgary, you have Iggy, Tanguay, and Cammalleri who all should easily be good for at least 20 goals and 60 points over 82 games, then Glencross and Hudler who are also all very capable of minimum 20 goals and 50 plus and trending upwards. Stempniak should be good for 40 points, Stajan has been in the high 50s as well (and Hartley is getting more out of Stajan than the last guy), Backlund is at long last emerging, and Cervenka has shown flashes of being decent for the top 9. Out of this group, the only ones older than 30 are Iggy and Tanguay.

There are a few really good things for the team. Firstly, the Flames have moved past the reclamation project phase in the top 6. I mean the sequence of Tony Amonte, Owen Nolan, or Bertuzzi. Only one of the three put up decent numbers and his poor defensive game offset that.

Secondly, they can ice a good strong third line. Keenan had this luxury with Conroy, Glencross and Moss.

Also, they have a decent top 4 on D. Wideman is showing smarts, really doing a good job on both sides of the puck and getting shots through. We know that Gio and Bouw have the tools, and Brodie is acquitting himself well. These guys are also all in their 20s.

I agree with Tanguay's comments to Hartley that the team was better than their achievements indicated and it seems like they have fixed a lot of problems that were present, and not Iginla and Kipper. I expect that if they keep playing as they are, this will not be a conversation at the end of the year. Time will tell.

[onetwo_threefour]

When I joined, my signature was hopeful, now it's more like a warning...

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by boggledepot

It is posts like this that force me to question the rationality behind the popular opinion of blowing up this team.

Cammy's contract is probably not a great one, but in one case he did live up to it. His twelve goals (or whatever it was) in nineteen games during Montreal's playoff run, where they took out Pittsburgh and Washington, was impressive. Yes, it is only one occasion, but he did come through when it mattered the most.

But the worst part of this post is that there is the admission that Cammy's contract is terrible, and he's getting worse every year; we should trade him to Colorado. But why would our divisional rivals want to relieve us of such a burden and take it upon themselves?

I'm sorry, but such a blatant fail of logic in within this argument forces me to question the creditability of some of the popular opinions on this site.

do you have any kind of an idea how many trades the Flames and Colorado have made in the past.

Just like why would the Flames trade Fluery to Colorado their division rival and get a prospect rookie that would turn into one of our most fierce for years, Regehr.
Maybe some home work should be done before going off.