Roman Cervenka

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by francis's hairpiece

nope, hatty or gtfo

fyp

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I'd say enlight of Glencross' play you don't want to take him off the top line, and Cammy hasn't exactly earned top line minutes So I'd go with:

Glencross-Tanguay-Iggy (Tangs isn't ideal at Center, but he's been servicable)
Cammy-Cervenka-Hudler (Let's hope Cervenka is legit)
Baertschi-Backs-Stempniak (possibly our best line so far)
Horak-Jones-Comeau (Hate that Horak is playing 4th line, but where else do you put him? Maybe line 2 if Cervenka falters)

I'm having a really hard time deciding what lines I'd like to see but this is getting super close for me.

It will never happen, but I'd like to see Glencross, Tanguay and Jackman shipped out for picks/future considerations and roll lines that look a little more like this:

Cammy-Stajan-Iggy
Stempniak-Cervenka-Hudler
Baertschi-Backlund-Horak
Comeau-Jones-Begin

Yes, Matt Stajan is on the first line. No, I do not want to trade him, I don't think the Flames would get much for him.

I know I've killed our depth in that situation but I think our 3rd line can sub up into the top 6 if absolutely necessary and then I don't mind bringing up someone like Nemisz/Aliu/Street/Reinhart to be our 13th forward.

Also, if it works out, Stajan and Cervenka might switch positions at some point (and if necessary Hudler and Cammy swap too).

So, how crazy am I?

[Vinny01]

Trade Glencross? Not a chance one of the best contracts in the league that is not an elc

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Trade Glencross? Not a chance one of the best contracts in the league that is not an elc

Glencross should be as close to an untouchable on this team as there is outside of Sven. 2.5M for 30 goals, grit, PK, PP, and he's someone who very clearly cares about winning and plays with real emotion.

The lack of that last part is a really evident shortcoming early on.

[Scoutski]

I completely agree with your reasoning, which is why I think it could potentially be a really good idea to net a great return. This team is currently not capable of winning a Stanley Cup (I think they could make the playoffs), so I think we can get some huge value out of Glencross now rather than keeping him around in a somewhat competitive team similar to the way it's been with Iginla and Kipper who would now be worth a lot less than what they were at age 29.

I like the way the organisation seems to be a little more level-headed about developing and obtaining prospects, but I think a kick-start would also be nice so we can hopefully climb into more serious contention sooner.

This isn't a knock on the team post, I don't think they're the 14th of TSN, they just don't seem to have enough together right now to really go for it all.

[Kickazzflames]

So we should trade glencross and hope we get another glencross?

[Itse]

The Flames need to give at least some reason to watch them play, and Glencross has been one of the very few bright spots along with Stempniak. (While Backlund and Baertchi give me hope that they can impress later, they have not really done anything yet.)

As to Cervenka and Hudler, they should at least give us some more options and more center. Although we will really have more than our share of smallish forwards of questionable value. (Questionable meaning "hard to say what their actual value is", not that they don't have value.) We could really use some bigger players.

I'm not big on lines speculations, but here's a crazy idea; how about playing centers as centers and see how the rest of it works out.

Tanguay-Backlund-Iginla
Baertchi-Stajan-Glencross
Hudler-Cervenka-Stempniak
Horak-Jones-Begin/Comeau/Jackman

If you want to shelter Backlund, switch him around with Stajan. In time Cervenka should hopefully pass Stajan on that chart.

And yeah, sit Cammalleri. Not that he was THAT bad, but everyone else on that roster have IMO done more to earn their time for now, with maybe the exception of the 4th line, where I don't see Cammy fitting. It won't take long before someone else there plays himself out of the lineup or gets injured.

[Young-Sneezy]

Originally Posted by Scoutski

I'm having a really hard time deciding what lines I'd like to see but this is getting super close for me.

It will never happen, but I'd like to see Glencross, Tanguay and Jackman shipped out for picks/future considerations and roll lines that look a little more like this:

Cammy-Stajan-Iggy
Stempniak-Cervenka-Hudler
Baertschi-Backlund-Horak
Comeau-Jones-Begin

Yes, Matt Stajan is on the first line. No, I do not want to trade him, I don't think the Flames would get much for him.

I know I've killed our depth in that situation but I think our 3rd line can sub up into the top 6 if absolutely necessary and then I don't mind bringing up someone like Nemisz/Aliu/Street/Reinhart to be our 13th forward.

Also, if it works out, Stajan and Cervenka might switch positions at some point (and if necessary Hudler and Cammy swap too).

So, how crazy am I?

I'm here today, because i will not continue watching you live a life of destruction. your ideas affect me negatively, in the following ways:

Cammy-Stajan-Iggy
Stempniak-Cervenka-Hudler
Baertschi-Backlund-Horak
Comeau-Jones-Begin[/B]

1. Glencross and Tanguay are shipped? For picks? what? 2 second rounders? MAYBE?
2. Stajan on the top line? I'm sorry, im not even hating too much on the guy lately, but he has zero finish and has in no way proven to be top line while in Calgary.
3. Ship Jackman? I'm honestly going to go with him being the hardest working Flame, day in, and day out. You would rather have friggin Crash Bandicoot aka Comeau out there?! or STEVE BEGIN?!?!

I see where you're going with this, but it just needs to stop, you're only hurting yourself.

We have a lovely place in Seattle called "Dreamers Village" that can help you with your addiction.

Will you go today?

[Scoutski]

haha, okay okay fair points. I think you are discrediting that solution a little harder than it needs to be though, I would be incredibly surprised to learn that Glencross is not worth at least a 1st. Seeing as that's the case, help me out here:

Barring injuries we are going to have the following players available for our NHL forward lines:

Iginla
Cammalleri
Tanguay
Glencross
Hudler
Baertschi
Cervenka
Stajan
Backlund
Stempniak
Horak
Comeau
Jones
Begin
Jackman

We can send down Horak and Begin and we are left with 13 forwards looking something like this:

Glencross-Tanguay-Iginla
Hudler-Cervenka-Stempniak
Baertschi-Backlund-Cammaleri
Comeau-Jones-Jackman

Stajan being the 13th forward

This also means the guy we signed to be tough and bring energy can't be around at the same time while everyone is healthy and a prospect who played with the Flames for a lot of last season has to wait for enough injuries to come back up. Should it just be handled that way or should someone be moved to make room? What's the plan for the future?

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Itse

The Flames need to give at least some reason to watch them play, and Glencross has been one of the very few bright spots along with Stempniak. (While Backlund and Baertchi give me hope that they can impress later, they have not really done anything yet.)

As to Cervenka and Hudler, they should at least give us some more options and more center. Although we will really have more than our share of smallish forwards of questionable value. (Questionable meaning "hard to say what their actual value is", not that they don't have value.) We could really use some bigger players.

I'm not big on lines speculations, but here's a crazy idea; how about playing centers as centers and see how the rest of it works out.

Tanguay-Backlund-Iginla
Baertchi-Stajan-Glencross
Hudler-Cervenka-Stempniak
Horak-Jones-Begin/Comeau/Jackman

If you want to shelter Backlund, switch him around with Stajan. In time Cervenka should hopefully pass Stajan on that chart.

And yeah, sit Cammalleri. Not that he was THAT bad, but everyone else on that roster have IMO done more to earn their time for now, with maybe the exception of the 4th line, where I don't see Cammy fitting. It won't take long before someone else there plays himself out of the lineup or gets injured.

Not hating your lines too much, but I wouldn't sit Cammy, I would call him out.
"U said in Montreal they prepared, practiced and played like losers! Now be a winner!"

[Kaine]

Trade Glencross... he's the one "vet" on this team I would view as near untouchable.

[CGY12]

Baertschi Backlund Iginla (the kids need a big body on the line)
Glencross Cervenka Hudler (Glencross gives them a bit of sand paper to the line)
Tanguay Cammelleri Stempniak (Tanguay still has 2 guys who can finish)
Horak Stajan Jones (Jones would be suited on the wing better)

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Baertschi Backlund Iginla (the kids need a big body on the line)
Glencross Cervenka Hudler (Glencross gives them a bit of sand paper to the line)
Tanguay Cammelleri Stempniak (Tanguay still has 2 guys who can finish)
Horak Stajan Jones (Jones would be suited on the wing better)

These are good lines. Sven and Backlund should be moved up to play with Iggy. He has been invisible so far and they are going to need him to get going ASAP if the team has any chance. The pace and energy at which both have been playing at will force Iggy to get going or he will get left in the dust.

Meant to add, anyone who suggests Horak needs to go down is crazy IMO.

[Diverce]

Excited to see Cervenka a Hudler play. But I don't expect them to play this Saturday, if anything I think Thursday against the Avs is when we'll see them. Calgary has 4 days off after the Oilers game so they have to time to practice, skate with the team and learn the system. And Hartley can put them through the paces to see who they play well with.

Can't really see Hartley trying to fit them in during the game on Saturday.

[bluloc]

Originally Posted by Diverce

Excited to see Cervenka a Hudler play. But I don't expect them to play this Saturday, if anything I think Thursday against the Avs is when we'll see them. Calgary has 4 days off after the Oilers game so they have to time to practice, skate with the team and learn the system. And Hartley can put them through the paces to see who they play well with.

Can't really see Hartley trying to fit them in during the game on Saturday.

Once we go 0-3-0 tonight why would we not want them in the line up. The sooner the better theses guys have been playing all their lives and one of the few that played over seas during the lock out. Im sure they'll play better than most of the garbage we have on the team.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Baertschi Backlund Iginla (the kids need a big body on the line)
Glencross Cervenka Hudler (Glencross gives them a bit of sand paper to the line)
Tanguay Cammelleri Stempniak (Tanguay still has 2 guys who can finish)
Horak Stajan Jones (Jones would be suited on the wing better)

Not bad.

[Alberta_Beef]

I'd like to see certain combinations of players together Saturday with Cervenka in the lineup.

Tanguay & Iginla
- They have always played pretty well together, no point in separating them. With Glencross's play so far I would like to keep that line together despite their failures in the circle.

Backlund & Baertschi
- They seem to have some early chemistry so I would like to try and see what comes of that, they are creating chances but just haven't buried anything yet. However I think Cammalleri has been a liability in the defensive zone so I would prefer to see a more defensively responsible player fill out the line, for the time being my choice would be Stempniak.

Cammalleri & Stajan
- They played well together at the end of last year and their strengths really compliment each other as one is a playmaker defensively reliable and the other is a shooter that likes to take some chances offensively. For now I would put them with Hudler and see how it goes.

by default that would leave a combination of Cervenka, Horak, Comeau, Jones & Begin (if healthy) for the final line, keep in mind I am suggesting this for Saturday's game only so Cervenka can ease into the lineup slowly by playing on the 4th line and on the PP.

[StrykerSteve]

Cervenka has to play with Hudler, he doesn't understand a lick of English. The transition will be hard enough without having to deal with not being able to understand your linemates.

They can speak in foreign tongues and take advantage of the weak English-speaking opposition!

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Cervenka has to play with Hudler, he doesn't understand a lick of English. The transition will be hard enough without having to deal with not being able to understand your linemates.

They can speak in foreign tongues and take advantage of the weak English-speaking opposition!

I am tired of this misconception. Cervenka can speak some English and understand it, he is just not comfortable conducting interviews in English.

And even if your nonsense was true, Horak is Czech too.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I am tired of this misconception. Cervenka can speak some English and understand it, he is just not comfortable conducting interviews in English.

And even if your nonsense was true, Horak is Czech too.

I wasn't aware that he can speak and understand English, that's certainly a positive, if true.

As for my comment being nonsense...