"The Edmonton Oilers are a useless franchise"

[moon]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

So for all the armchair GM talk of how the Oilers should have kept RNH in junior for another year, does the same apply to our Flames and to Sven?

Sven did stay in junior after being drafted and isn't nearly as skinny as RNH not sure how those situations are all that similar.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

So for all the armchair GM talk of how the Oilers should have kept RNH in junior for another year, does the same apply to our Flames and to Sven?

Sure does, which is exactly what the Flames did.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to observe the painful reconciliation process us Flames fans are having to the prospect of the Oilers finally being the better team.

Better team? Not by a long shot. Yes, the oilers have some excellent young players and their future may appear to some to be brighter than ours. What remains to be seen, however, is whether or not these individual young "stars" can gel into a cohesive unit and actually win consistently - and that's just the forwards I'm talking about. The defense corps admittedly looks better than it has, but is still pretty thin by most standards and their standout guy (Schultz) is unproven. Oh yeah....and they don't have a goaltender.

It blows me away how year after year people are ready to drink the oiler kool-aid just because they have a raft of first-overall draft picks. Maybe we should wait and see if they actually win any games before we start engraving their names on the cup.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to observe the painful reconciliation process us Flames fans are having to the prospect of the Oilers finally being the better team.

Why are you a Flames fan? Why do you post on this forum?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

So for all the armchair GM talk of how the Oilers should have kept RNH in junior for another year, does the same apply to our Flames and to Sven?

Absolutely.

Which is why he is becoming a full time NHLer at the age of 20, being stronger and more mature than he was at 18.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

So for all the armchair GM talk of how the Oilers should have kept RNH in junior for another year, does the same apply to our Flames and to Sven?

Sven is 187lbs. Big difference.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Someone can come tell me that Hall is better than Eberle when he finally tops Eberle in points in a season. Eberle beat him in their rookie year, beat him last year, beat him this year in the AHL, he will beat him in the shortened season. Saying Eberle is a fluke just defies logic.

Originally Posted by moon

They are fairly close when you look at PPG but Eberle has played more games so has been outscoring him you are right about that.
Who said Eberle was a fluke? I missed that comment in the thread.

I don't think he's a fluke either but you should also point out that Eberle plays more sheltered minutes than Hall. The dude barely leaves the ice on a power play and has ridiculous OZone start %age. Hall was initially super sheltered but is becoming less so year after year. Not that he's playing tough minutes by any stretch but compared to Ebs and RNH...

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to observe the painful reconciliation process us Flames fans are having to the prospect of the Oilers finally being the better team.

Don't get this at all... I mean, let's say you're being generous. In that case, I guess the Oilers don't have to consistently finish ahead of the Flames for a couple years to be called the "better team", although you'd think they would. Maybe they don't even have to finish ahead of the Flames for one season, although you'd definitely think they'd have to do at least that before you called them the "better team". But wouldn't they have to finish better than 2nd worst in the league before you can call them "better" than the Flames? Don't they at least need to do that first?

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Keep on dreaming! We heard all this BS last year. and even with Brent Sutter and his WHL coaching skills we still handed it to them.

Seriously, the Flames are handing it to nobody this year. We suck. The credibility of this forum as legitimate source of NHL discussion drops daily with the blind Flames love-in here.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to observe the painful reconciliation process us Flames fans are having to the prospect of the Oilers finally being the better team.

Oh look 12 chickens!

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Corral

Seriously, the Flames are handing it to nobody this year. We suck. The credibility of this forum as legitimate source of NHL discussion drops daily with the blind Flames love-in here.

You're welcome to go over to HF, where a player who hasn't touched the ice in an NHL game is the most highly coveted asset there is.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Corral

Seriously, the Flames are handing it to nobody this year. We suck. The credibility of this forum as legitimate source of NHL discussion drops daily with the blind Flames love-in here.

Thanks for letting me know. I'll be watching just the same because I think we can hand it to several teams this year. Either way, with new faces and a new coaching staff, it should be interesting.

[Seachd]

"Marc-Andre Pouliot" agrees with how useless they are.

Originally Posted by Azure

RNH is the same way. All the skill in the world, but he's small. 160lbs is SMALL. He wasn't ready physically last season, and got injured as a result.

Nugent-Hopkins played at 180-185 last year, not 160.

Can you prove that he got injured as a result of his size/physical stature? I always see people say that small players get injured more often or more seriously than bigger players, but never anything to back it up.

Some people think it's just common sense, but I've never seen anything to support the idea.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Oh look 12 chickens!

Why is one of the eggs white? I would hate to have to live in that environment

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Seachd

"Marc-Andre Pouliot" agrees with how useless they are.



Nugent-Hopkins played at 180-185 last year, not 160.

Can you prove that he got injured as a result of his size/physical stature? I always see people say that small players get injured more often or more seriously than bigger players, but never anything to back it up.

Some people think it's just common sense, but I've never seen anything to support the idea.

He is listed at 180lbs now, but he was quite clearly smaller last year. Hell, he's still small now compared to other guys his size.

Why it matters? Because of the obvious. Less weight = less muscle mass for NHL players considering most play at -10% body fat. Less muscle means they get pushed around more easily in a game where everyone is bigger, stronger and faster. Their bodies can't handle it, so they become more susceptible to injury.

This isn't the first time the Oilers have rushed younger players. You better just hope they don't ruin RNH.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Corral

Seriously, the Flames are handing it to nobody this year. We suck. The credibility of this forum as legitimate source of NHL discussion drops daily with the blind Flames love-in here.

They will finish higher than the Oilers, if you don't think so put your money where your mouth is

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

So for all the armchair GM talk of how the Oilers should have kept RNH in junior for another year, does the same apply to our Flames and to Sven?

No. Sven already had the extra year in junior that RNH never had.

[MisterJoji]

Double post

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

You're welcome to go over to HF, where a player who hasn't touched the ice in an NHL game is the most highly coveted asset there is.

HF is the absolute worst place for discussion. "Oh you seem to have an opinion ... BANNED!!!"

[TKB]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

HF is the absolute worst place for discussion. "Oh you seem to have an opinion ... BANNED!!!"

Sounds like a few posters on this site...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to observe the painful reconciliation process us Flames fans are having to the prospect of the Oilers finally being the better team.

Hmmmm....interesting observation, though no idea what it is based on.

The oilers finished 29th in the nHL last year and have added, an 18 YO Yakupov, a 22 YO Schultz and Mark Fistric to that team.

The Flames finished 17th in the NHL...added a 46 pt Dman, a 50 pt forward, and an unknown in cervenka.

Yeah...logically the Oilers are certainly "finally" a better team...makes all kinds of sense.