I didn't say i was a redford fan either. Hey when you are in the spotlight you better look the part. EVERY time i see Smith on TV the past month it's that squinty eye attack mode thing hahaha.
I'm a huge Nenshi fan and i think he needs a make over with his eye thing. Good thing he has substance and the background past that look. Smith doesn't.
Smith is just as capable of conducting 'politics in full sentences' as Nenshi. One of her biggest strengths is being articulate.
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I didn't say i was a redford fan either. Hey when you are in the spotlight you better look the part. EVERY time i see Smith on TV the past month it's that squinty eye attack mode thing hahaha.
Seriously??
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I was involved in the campaign and think that the Wildrose did rather well. Absolutely, they would have liked to do better but they took on a huge entrenched party and put up some pretty respectable numbers. Four years from now they will have the opportunity to run again and this time with a record of both experience in the legislature and experience running a campaign.
Remember that half of the PC candidates were up for reelection which means that they already had a team in place to run their campaign and they knew what they were getting into. Those experienced candidates were able to help out the junior ones and even the junior ones had existing boards to help them out.
One of the campaigns that I helped out on was Kelly Hudson in Dunvegan. He was nominated to run in the weeks leading up to the campaign. At that point he had no money in the CA bank, no campaign material and only a few volunteers to help him out. He ended up taking 42% of the vote. He lost, but that is still a huge success for a first time candidate and would have been enough to win in most elections. In four more years he will be far more prepared. In comparison the established Liberal party received less than 3% of the vote and the NDP whom the riding is named after managed to get 10%.
I'll see your shifty eyes and raise you an angry outburst followed by an F-bomb.
She is seldom in the Legislature, but when she is there she loses her cool - a lot.
Well she is right, she is a lawyer, she knows the legal system and was able to respond to a clumsy question with a factual retort. She appeared to have muttered f*** under her breath so that no one could actually hear it - is that really what the WRP wants to try and stick to her? That she maybe swore after slightly raising her voice?
Klein was a liberal, and a damn smart one to change parties to become premier. Smith is also a Reform party and Ted Morton lover which i doubt Klein was a fan of.
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If your argument is "Klein was a liberal", the argument falls apart. Technically true, but George Washington was also technically a British subject.
I guess the difference then is that Nenshi isn't just capable, he uses his capabilities.
Wildrose, stop talking about minor PC transgressions and tell me what better policies you have.
Do you actually watch the Legislature (and I don't mean question period) or read Hansard afterwards?
The Wildrose put forth over 100 amendments to bills in this very short session.
You can see a full breakdown of the stats here and there area also links to summaries of the amendments that were put forward.
The NDP and the Libs put forth amendments too. Plus all 3 opposition parties worked together to bring forward viable solutions. Bringing total to well over 100.
You know how many they PC's let go through? 3 !!!
I've said it before, no "one" party has all the ideas; but through collaboration better ideas can be generated and policy formed. Right now there is only one party that doesn't understand that - the PC's.
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Do you actually watch the Legislature (and I don't mean question period) or read Hansard afterwards?
Nope, and I imagine not many do.
If Wildrose is doing a good job in the legislature but not doing a good job telling people about it (through the general media, advertising etc.), then that's still something they'd need to address.
Sure, I could go and look for it, but that's something I really don't care to do (at least when there's no election imminent). And, it's not in the party's interest to be relying on voters to take that much initiative (unless they feel voters won't like their policies).
I agree with you though that it would be nice if our politicians could more often concede that sometimes the ideas that come from outside their party can be good ones. BTW, aren't the federal conservatives even worse for not accepting opposition proposals?
Edit: I read through that link you provided (as well as the policies linked within), and found it to mostly be stuff that's designed to help the Wildrose spun as good public policy. I'm happy to critique it in more depth if you'd like.
It seems like whatever scene the Reform/Wild Rose folks move on to they turn into a hyper partisan screaming match and just personally attack attack attack with lots of backup from the NP and Sun chorus. As somebody who self perceives as a centrist I just find their approach really off-putting.
At this point, you lost the election... move on from digging up personal dirt and focus on policy. Your constituents are paying you to speak up for them and conduct the business of running the province not to work as 24/7 character assassins going through other people's garbage.
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It seems like whatever scene the Reform/Wild Rose folks move on to they turn into a hyper partisan screaming match and just personally attack attack attack with lots of backup from the NP and Sun chorus. As somebody who self perceives as a centrist I just find their approach really off-putting.
At this point, you lost the election... move on from digging up personal dirt and focus on policy. Your constituents are paying you to speak up for them and conduct the business of running the province not to work as 24/7 character assassins going through other people's garbage.
I beleive that it was CBC that dug up personal dirt as you say.
I beleive that it was CBC that dug up personal dirt as you say.
Maybe it's not even a fair characterization... my perception is just that this political group is constantly negative and attacking on character and I feel frustrated that rather than engaging on legitimate issues they waste time discussing stuff like her sister's expense claims.
Mostly reacting to the original article which was basically a politcal attack ad masquerading as a legitimate article.
Do you actually watch the Legislature (and I don't mean question period) or read Hansard afterwards?
The Wildrose put forth over 100 amendments to bills in this very short session.
You can see a full breakdown of the stats here and there area also links to summaries of the amendments that were put forward.
The NDP and the Libs put forth amendments too. Plus all 3 opposition parties worked together to bring forward viable solutions. Bringing total to well over 100.
You know how many they PC's let go through? 3 !!!
I've said it before, no "one" party has all the ideas; but through collaboration better ideas can be generated and policy formed. Right now there is only one party that doesn't understand that - the PC's.
Not to attack the stat, but what's the average by a majority party in this regard? Under Klein? Stelmach? How about in the federal conservatives? Paul Martin? I'm not familiar with this area of politics.
I guess the heart of my question is "Is this just a typical action of a majority government, or is it a Redford issue?"
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Maybe it's not even a fair characterization... my perception is just that this political group is constantly negative and attacking on something and I feel frustrated that rather than engaging on legitimate issues they waste time discussing stuff like her sister's expense claims.
Mostly reacting to the original article which was basically a politcal attack ad masquerading as a legitimate article.
I expect the opposition party to keep the governing party accountable. Much of the negitivity we hear in the media was brought on by the governing party. From the actions of Christine Cusinelli to Allaudin Merali it's no wonder the Redford govt is getting such negitive press.
Do the opposition parties go to far and sometimes look chikdish in thier actions? For sure and i'm not happy when I hear that a party has walked out of chambers because they didn't get things thier way.
First Lady has pointed out the things the WRP has tried to do but for whatever reason the press would rather focus on the negitvity and possible scandals. Guess that's what sells papers
First Lady has pointed out the things the WRP has tried to do but for whatever reason the press would rather focus on the negitvity and possible scandals. Guess that's what sells papers
Wildrose can blame the press if they want, but the WRP doesn't seem to have any problems jumping on the "scandal" bandwaggons with the press.
Maybe we can only have a policy focus in elections where there's no incumbent.
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Wildrose can blame the press if they want, but the WRP doesn't seem to have any problems jumping on the "scandal" bandwaggons with the press.
Maybe we should sweep the scandals under the rug and act as if it never happened. Forget about holding the govt accountable. In addition lets tell the taxpayers federation and the press not to ask for documents and let the govt do as they please.
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Maybe we should sweep the scandals under the rug and act as if it never happened. Forget about holding the govt accountable. In addition lets tell the taxpayers federation and the press not to ask for documents and let the govt do as they please.
If you accept the premise that there's only so much press time you're going to get, then it's a matter of priorities.
Ultimately it's voters who hold the government accountable, and if you don't present a substantial and desirable alternative then it doesn't really matter what scandals there may be.
If voters do respond to the scandals and elect a group that doesn't have sound policies, well that's a cure that's worse than the disease.
