Harper's comments about the Bloc

[Reaper]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Jun 29 2005, 04:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Jun 29 2005, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

So everything that goes wrong is his fault and nothing that goes right is because of things he has done. I never said he was the sole reason but he continued the plan and was the leader who saw it finally paid off. I will give him credit for that. And all this whinning about at what social cost?? I see no cost at all. In fact I would like to see some of the social spending cut back. He has taken steps to try and improve health care by allowing private health and has been held back by Ottawa.

I agree. They should quit wasting money on schools and teachers. In fact, close down a school or two, herd all those AISH people into them and cut the benefits right off. This province just can't continue to throw money away on it's citizens. [/b][/quote]
Thank you.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Snakeeye+Jun 29 2005, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snakeeye @ Jun 29 2005, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Reaper@Jun 29 2005, 01:54 PM
shinguard, you make it sound like poor old Ralphie was working in a coal mine to make extra money to pay off the provincial debt. Care to discuss his beatification? sheesh.

Klein was the Premier at the time the final schedule was set for paying off Alberta's provincial debt but it's not like he is the only reason that it happened. His governments cut funding to social programs and then reaped the benefits of escalating oil prices.

Yes, Alberta is debt free but at what social cost?

And how much damage was done to health care and education when Chretien/Martin gutted transfer payments to balance the federal budget? [/b][/quote]
Ah, yes. "Look how bad the Liberals are! They're worse than everyone else..."

[Reaper]

Originally posted by moon+Jun 29 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moon @ Jun 29 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I agree. They should quit wasting money on schools and teachers. In fact, close down a school or two, herd all those AISH people into them and cut the benefits right off. This province just can't continue to throw money away on it's citizens.

Sounds good to me. As long as my wife doesn't lose her job when we close down the schools. [/b][/quote]
Man, that comment really makes you sound like a slack jawed yokel.

"Who cares what happens as long as it doesn't affect me!"

That's some highly developed social conscience you have there.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by moon+Jun 29 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moon @ Jun 29 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Jun 29 2005, 05:23 PM
Barb Higgins just informed me that the province has a 5 billion dollar surplus this year. Do you really think they should cut spending on social services?

I think they should not spend it all on social services. I could use some of that money back in my pocket.

I guess they don't have to cut spending but I think that we certainly spend much more money in stupid social programs than we need to. [/b][/quote]
Spend much more money on social programs than we need to?

Allow me to use the AISH example.

The provincial government ignored two studies that concluded that AISH should have been raised to ~$1200 per month just to bring AISH recipients to the poverty line.

They set out a schedule to raise AISH to $1000 per month by next April thus insuring that most AISH recipients will continue to live below the poverty line.

It is disgusting that in a province as prosperous as Alberta that the severely handicapped continue to be socially marginalized because the provincial government doesn't see fit to provide assistance at a level that allows for a basic standard of living.

[transplant99]

Wow, great. Thanks for the lecture.

Your welcome...you earned it.

Ah, yes. "Look how bad the Liberals are! They're worse than everyone else..."

With out question...liars cheaters and stealers are worse than everyone else.

Man, that comment really makes you sound like a slack jawed yokel.

Ahh there's that lovely Fiberal tolerance for others coming out in spades.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Reaper+Jun 29 2005, 10:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Jun 29 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

And how much damage was done to health care and education when Chretien/Martin gutted transfer payments to balance the federal budget?

Ah, yes. "Look how bad the Liberals are! They're worse than everyone else..." [/b][/quote]
The question is: how much of the "social damage" that the Federal Liberals caused are you blaming on Ralph?

Is it Alberta's fault it didnt deficit spend to cover the mess the Liberals created, or is it Ottawa's?

[moon]

Originally posted by Reaper+Jun 29 2005, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Jun 29 2005, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Sounds good to me. As long as my wife doesn't lose her job when we close down the schools.

Man, that comment really makes you sound like a slack jawed yokel.

"Who cares what happens as long as it doesn't affect me!"

That's some highly developed social conscience you have there. [/b][/quote]
Well the comment was meant in jest, but I would say that yes I probably have less of a social conscience then most. I prefer people to get work for what they get and have the option of spending their money how they would like then being told where and how it is going to be spent.

As for the AISH example I have worked with adults with severe handicaps for the past years whether through volunteering or as a direst service worker so don't try and paint a picture where I am supporting cuting off funding to them.

I believe that there are programs that should be reduced and programs in which we should have more say as to where our money goes.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by octothorp@Jun 29 2005, 06:08 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...esex050629.html

And on the subjects of Klein and same sex marriage, he says that his government may stop solemnizing marriages altogether, leaving marriages to the work of the churches. Apparently, JPs would be allowed only to grant civil unions, not marriages. And here I thought his beef was with same sex marriage, not atheist marriage. My fiance and I were planning to get married using a JP, because we're not at all religious. Under this legislation, the most we could do is get a civil union unless we went to a church? WTF is that supposed to prove, Ralph?

well IF you are atheist then a civil union should be enough. Marriage is for the most part a religous event anyways. If you love someone enough you dont need a church to make you say I do to make it work.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by fotze@Jun 30 2005, 02:17 AM

I think all the bitter wartime geezers retirement whiners and the flaky hippies who think their jouney into existensialism should be funded by taxpayers should get together and have a battle royale to the death.

Not too sure what you're saying here fotze.....that war vets don't deserve the help of our generation? You don't think they deserve it?

[Cheese]

A popular Regina bar had a new robotic bartender installed.

A fellow came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "Coming up sir. By the way, what's your I.Q.?"

The man replied, "150."

The robot then proceeded to make conversation about Quantum physics, string theory, atomic chemistry and so on.

The man listened intently and thought, "This is really cool." The man decided to test the robot. He walked out of the bar, turned around, and came back in for another drink.

Again the robot served him the drink and asked him, "And what's your I.Q. sir?"

The man responded, "100." So the robot started talking about football, baseball, and so on.



The man thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool."

The man went out and came back in a third time. As before the robot asked him, "If I may ask sir, what's your I.Q.?"

The man replied, "50."

The robot then said, "So, you gonna vote Liberal again?"

[MarchHare]

Funny.

How about this one:

Thursday in Mrs. Smith's kindergarten class, she held an activity where each child had to explain the job their father does.

"What does your daddy do, Suzie?" asked Mrs. Smith.

"He's a firefighter," replied Suzie.

"And what about your daddy, Johnny?"

Johnny said, "He's a construction worker."

"And Timmy, what does your father do?"

"He's a male stripper and occasional gay prostitute."

The class gasped and Mrs. Smith quickly put an end to the activity.

After the bell rang, she asked Timmy, "Is that true what you said about your father?"

"No," replied Timmy, "he's really a Conservative Party MP, but I was too ashamed to say that in front of the other kids."

[Reaper]

Without question...liars cheaters and stealers are worse than everyone else.

Liars and cheats are deplorable but Stealers Wheel definitely had some great songs. Oh, wait. You were talking about thieves... My misunderstanding.

Ahh there's that lovely Fiberal tolerance for others coming out in spades.

Fiberal tolerance? Huh? I can only assume that you are implying that I am a Liberal Party supporter. I am not. I voted Green in the last two federal elections.

How's the "Jump to Conclusions" mat coming along?

[transplant99]

My misunderstanding.

Im sure it happens often.

Huh? I can only assume that you are implying that I am a Liberal Party supporter.

After this...

Ah, yes. "Look how bad the Liberals are! They're worse than everyone else..."

Yeah...thats quite the leap of faith i took...especially after false accusations against the Conservative Premier.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jun 30 2005, 09:00 AM

Im sure it happens often.

After this...

Yeah...thats quite the leap of faith i took...especially after false accusations against the Conservative Premier.

Im sure it happens often.

Wow, nice insult. You get a gold star to put on your desk. Bravo.

After this...

Yeah...thats quite the leap of faith i took...especially after false accusations against the Conservative Premier.

Actually, the line "Look how bad the Liberals are! They're worse than everyone else..." was referencing the fact that in political discussions that seems to be Snakeeye's old standby. Sorry if it was too subtle for you.

Still steaming about my error regarding St. Ralph? Buck up, little camper. It's not like I got drunk and then went to a shelter to berate homeless people.

[transplant99]

Still steaming about my error regarding St. Ralph? Buck up, little camper. It's not like I got drunk and then went to a shelter to berate homeless people.

St. Ralph?? Wow.

Dude...falsely accusing anyone of being a woman beater is heinous. Sorry if you dont understand that.

[Resolute 14]

Paul Martin is walking down the street in Ottawa when he notices a little girl carrying a box. He bends over and asks her what is in the box.

"They are kittens," she replies.

Martin asks her what kind of kittens they are.

"They are Liberal kittens," says the little girl.

Martin smiles, pats the little girl on the head and continues on down the road.

A couple weeks later, Martin is walking down the street with Jack Layton, when he sees the same little girl with the same box. Martin smiles to himself and tells Jack to "watch this".

Martin steps up to the little girl and asks her what she has in the box.

"They are kittens," she replies.

"And what kind of kittens are they," he asks?

"They are Conservative kittens," she replies.

Shocked, Martin says "But a couple weeks ago you told me they were Liberal kittens!"

"They were," the little girl answers, "but now their eyes are open."

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jun 30 2005, 09:35 AM

St. Ralph?? Wow.

Dude...falsely accusing anyone of being a woman beater is heinous. Sorry if you dont understand that.

I think for the first time in a political thread I'm in complete agreement with transplant. Falsely accusing anyone of being a wife-beater is pretty disgraceful, especially when it was a reading comprehension error on your part that gave you that notion.

I actually have to hand it to Klein...he's cleaned up his act so much recently that he can't even be accused of being a drunk or a high school drop-out anymore.

[Blaster86]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jun 29 2005, 10:55 PM

With out question...liars cheaters and stealers are worse than everyone else.

When a Canadian is asked "Would you rather be run by thieves or Social Conservatives" more often than not the Canadian will answer Thieves.

I'd rather lose money than social rights, thanks.

[Resolute 14]

And which social rights are you in danger of losing?

[MarchHare]

Our newly-won same-sex marriage rights, for one, as Harper has said that if the CPC forms the next government he plans to revisit that law.

And I hate to mention it, but the following facts are undeniable:

1. It has been reported in the Globe & Mail and elsewhere that radical Christian conservatives are winning a very large number of CPC riding nominations. These individuals are only concerned with one or two social issues, namely same-sex marriage and abortion.

2. It may be part of the official platform of the CPC not to overturn the law allowing legal abortions, but Harper himself has been quoted as saying he would allow a free-vote on the matter if it was introduced as a private member's bill.

3. There's very little doubt over how the majority of CPC candidates would vote on bills concerning abortion and same-sex marriage.

This isn't Liberal fear-mongering about a "hidden agenda". The facts speak for themselves.