CPS supports Seizing vehicles of speeders

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by SebC

On the other hand, if you're going in a straight line with a lane on either side and the neareast car is miles ahead of you, you basically need to have a stroke to get into an accident. Slow down for curves, slow down for traffic, and you'll be fine.

Oh for sure. My point though is that there is a physics aspect to increasing speed limits that shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed - it's not as easy as saying cars are better or that the speed limits were set 60 years ago, because we haven't had the exponential improvement in braking or handling capability to match the increased energy a higher speed limit would involve.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Oh for sure. My point though is that there is a physics aspect to increasing speed limits that shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed - it's not as easy as saying cars are better or that the speed limits were set 60 years ago, because we haven't had the exponential improvement in braking or handling capability to match the increased energy a higher speed limit would involve.

There has always been four tires to stop cars. ABS has been the last great invention which is just the automatic pumping of breaks. We need air power to stop faster!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

There has always been four tires to stop cars. ABS has been the last great invention which is just the automatic pumping of breaks. We need air power to stop faster!

Retro-rockets. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Oh for sure. My point though is that there is a physics aspect to increasing speed limits that shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed - it's not as easy as saying cars are better or that the speed limits were set 60 years ago, because we haven't had the exponential improvement in braking or handling capability to match the increased energy a higher speed limit would involve.

I believe we have, however, made great improvements in the abilities of cars to protect drivers from said energy on the occasions where collisions do occur.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Oh for sure. My point though is that there is a physics aspect to increasing speed limits that shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed - it's not as easy as saying cars are better or that the speed limits were set 60 years ago, because we haven't had the exponential improvement in braking or handling capability to match the increased energy a higher speed limit would involve.

Maybe not exponential, but there has been great headway in reducing stopping distances. With some Googling around I found a 1969 Charger could stop in 190 feet from 100 km/h versus 138 feet for a 2012 Charger. Cars stop faster and handle way better nowadays.

[undercoverbrother]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...277/story.html

Calgary Herald
A Calgary man is facing charges after two vehicles were caught racing down Highway 2 at 214 km/h just south of Red Deer on Sunday.
Innisfail RCMP officers were on the lookout for dangerous drivers when they spotted two vehicles racing southbound at speeds exceeding 180 km/h shortly after midnight.
“It appears they were in a race, showing no regard for the safety of other drivers,” said Const. Steve Molnar, in a news release.
An Alberta sheriff positioned further south down the busy highway later clocked the pair travelling at 214 km/h, he said.
The two vehicles were found a few kilometres south of Innisfail, still racing, police said. One of them stopped after police turned on their emergency lights and sirens.
“Fortunately, no one was hurt during this incident,” Molnar said. “It could have ended tragically for anyone in or around those vehicles.”
A 21-year-old Calgary man is facing criminal dangerous driving charges and is due in court next month. His name has not been released. The vehicle was also seized by police.
Officers continue to search for the second vehicle involved.

http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012/...dly-addiction/

In a four-year study of collision data from 2004-2008 prepared by Alberta Transportation, police reported drivers were travelling at an unsafe speed in just under 30 per cent of fatal collisions. It’s important to note that statistic isn’t limited to extreme speed: it refers to any collision when the motorist was deemed to be driving too fast for the conditions — whether it was 50 km/h over the limit on a clear day, or 10 km/h under the limit during a raging snowstorm.
In 2010, the last year with complete provincial statistics, Alberta Transportation recorded 344 deaths in 307 collisions. If 2010 was like previous years (and there’s no reason to think it wasn’t), that works out to approximately 100 collisions involving speeding. Using the rate above (344 killed in 307 crashes=1.1 fatalities per collision), those speed-related collisions killed roughly 110 people.
During the same year, authorities recorded 86 fatal collisions involving alcohol. The report doesn’t specify the number of people killed in those collisions, but assuming 1.1 fatalities per crash, the number of people killed in collisions involving alcohol was likely somewhere around 94.

Sliver, I agree vehicles are better, but are people's reflexes?

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Iginla

What about stats from deaths related to people failing to know how 4 way stop signs operate?

Well Pinner hasn't been around for a while, so I can only assume that he met an untimely demise at a 4-way stop.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Well Pinner hasn't been around for a while, so I can only assume that he met an untimely demise at a 4-way stop.

Oh I get it, that's why he posted this....he believes me to be a returning poster named pinner. It makes sense, it seemed like an odd question.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012/...dly-addiction/

It’s important to note that statistic isn’t limited to extreme speed: it refers to any collision when the motorist was deemed to be driving too fast for the conditions — whether it was 50 km/h over the limit on a clear day, or 10 km/h under the limit during a raging snowstorm.

So these stats are basically useless in this discussion. People who are going 50 in a 50 km/h zone when it isn't safe to do so, isn't something that can really be policed.

I think one of the biggest problems we have in North America is driver training. When I look back at what I learned behind the wheel before taking my road test, it was 100% based on following laws. We can't legislate exactly how much snow or rain there needs to be in order to slow down and by how much.

Nothing we do here teaches you how to react in difficult situations, or how to control a vehicle when something goes wrong. It seems like many other countries include a lot of driver skill training in their licensing process. For instance, Finnish drivers have to pass a driving test on a wet track as well as a road test at night to be fully licensed.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...277/story.html

http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012/...dly-addiction/

Sliver, I agree vehicles are better, but are people's reflexes?

Well, I just read an article about two guys going 180km/h+ who didn't hurt anyone, and another that said that 70% of accidents aren't related to speed at all.