Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.
Like you, I have no stats to back this up, but I'd wager that women enjoy greater rights and equality in countries where masturbation and pornography are condoned/ignored than in those countries where it is outlawed/frowned upon.
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Is what the Catholic church teaches really as crazy as people make it out to be?
Priests actually turning a cracker and wine into the blood and body of christ, and believers HAVING to believe this...
Being against all forms of contraception, even in AIDS riddled Africa....
Forcing their priests to be abstinent which is utterly against human sexual nature and probably has a lot to do with the institutional rampant sexual abuse in the church's history..
A church founded on the principles of a desert hippie which has created for itself a VAST empire of wealth and power spanning nearly 2 millenia.
Its an organization which stands seemingly almost always on the wrong side of modern social issues, and such things as its strong support for Saudi Arabia's anti-blasphemy resolution in the UN are just one of the many mind boggling things this institution does which makes you wonder about the sanity of the people at the top.
Thankfully the strongholds left in the Catholic church are the poor, uneducated and 3rd world nations of this world. Give them time, they will do what modern Ireland is doing and the rest of the EU has been doing for decades, leaving in droves from this abomination of an institution.. I can only imagine what Jesus would say about the modern Vatican and this church, going by his "teachings" its hard to imagine anything other than he would be utterly disgusted and ashamed it was done in his name.
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Priests actually turning a cracker and wine into the blood and body of christ, and believers HAVING to believe this...
Funny story...
When I had my first communion, I assumed that the bread and wine wasn't literally the body and blood of Christ, but rather just a symbolic metaphor used in the ritual. I continued to believe this for years and didn't find out until I was a teenager that Catholics really do believe that the Eucharist is the actual, honest-to-goodness real deal, not metaphorical symbolism.
If one of the central tenets of the Catholic Church is so ridiculous that even a gullible six year old kid can't accept it, your religion really is crazy.
I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.
Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.
I find the opposite to this idea.
Lets take countries known for their sexually liberated ideals, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Germany, and a number of others.
There is nudity on TV, foul language, but a lot less violence than in US television. Sex education is taught early and holds no punches. Birth control is widely used, sex is not taboo but a natural healthy thing which people enjoy, or hey there is always your hands or sex toys.
These nations have healthy happy relationships with sex, where as in the US, there is a messed up view of it, the porno usage is high in the US, rape, teen pregnancy, are all serious issues.
Like Stephen fry called the Catholic church, I think applies to the US as a nation (not in all states), the US is to healthy sex as a obese person is to food.
Like keeps being said by psychologists and doctors, a healthy sex life is good for you, and yes even masturbation, unless its to horse porn
The threat of lung cancer doesn't stop people from starting to smoke. Does anyone really think that the threat of contracting a disease that might increase their chances of getting cervical cancer in the future is going to stop someone from having sex?
I assume this is a one-time vaccination that will protect the girl throughout her life? I know I received many vaccinations in school and I didn't have any idea what they were all supposed to prevent. Most grade five girls haven't even started puberty yet, and won't even think about having sex. When they're old enough to start thinking about having sex, they likely won't even think about whether or not they've had an HPV shot.
At some point, we've all received tetanus shots. I doubt that made anyone run out and start playing with rusty metal.
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The obvious solution is to dissolve the catholic school board and roll the students into the public system.
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Just to be clear that the Calgary Separate School Board is a public system. The right to separate publicly funded denominational schools was created at confederation and reinforced when Alberta became a province and in the Charter....Section 29.
I went through the Calgary Separate School system and although I don't agree with the Bishop's stance, there is obviously a majority of people who belong to that institution that do agree with the Bishop. It is their right to set up their own administrative rules and their right to be led spiritually and guided by the him and church doctrine.
They are also free to leave the church or the CSSD, stay and go to your own doctor/clinic to get the vaccine, or better yet write to or elect trustees that support the HPV vaccine as part of the vaccination program.
Just to be clear that the Calgary Separate School Board is a public system. The right to separate publicly funded denominational schools was created at confederation and reinforced when Alberta became a province and in the Charter....Section 29.
I went through the Calgary Separate School system and although I don't agree with the Bishop's stance, there is obviously a majority of people who belong to that institution that do agree with the Bishop. It is their right to set up their own administrative rules and their right to be led spiritually and guided by the him and church doctrine.
They are also free to leave the church or the CSSD, stay and go to your own doctor/clinic to get the vaccine, or better yet write to or elect trustees that support the HPV vaccine as part of the vaccination program.
I know a lot of Catholics, but none that agree with the bishop. I'm not saying there aren't Catholics that agree with him, but I don't think they're a majority. However, the Catholic board will not disobey him - when they've argued with him in the past he's threatened to withhold his blessing from the teachers/schools (which Catholics do take seriously).
Also going to your own doctor/clinic is easier said than done - it's not available everywhere. I've heard from a few people in the Catholic system who have ended up having to pay to get the vaccine for their daughters (which probably contributes to the very low uptake rate).
For example, people laugh at why masturbation is a sin. But when you look at the reasons behind it, it makes pretty good sense. A culture of masturbation and pornography fosters one that is less respectful of individuals. What does it say about a society when they're willing to view other people as just a piece of meat, a simple object of sexual desire, a commodity?
But I'm not going to get into it here. By no means do I come close to being able to follow perfectly, Catholic sexual ethics. But I try. Is what the Catholic church teaches really as crazy as people make it out to be?
While I do tend agree with the bolded statement, you do realize that masturbation is not the same as masturbation + pornography, right? One of those things can be harmful in the way you describe, and the other is just along for the ride.
I will let you guess which is which.
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What is the rate of infection of HPV that Alberta tax dollars are going into paying for a blanket vaccination? Could the government simply not park their mobile bus outside and do it there? What would would a program like this cost the CSB? Is Alberta health renting the gym, compensating it for lost working hours?
Influenza sure (its common enough and no offence to those with HPV but influenza isnt preventable, HPV is), but how many people are infected by this 1/100 ? If so it doesnt sound like a great use of our tax dollars - peoples general hatred for religious institutions notwithstanding of course.
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What is the rate of infection of HPV that Alberta tax dollars are going into paying for a blanket vaccination? Could the government simply not park their mobile bus outside and do it there? What would would a program like this cost the CSB? Is Alberta health renting the gym, compensating it for lost working hours?
Influenza sure (its common enough and no offence to those with HPV but influenza isnt preventable, HPV is), but how many people are infected by this 1/100 ? If so it doesnt sound like a great use of our tax dollars - peoples general hatred for religious institutions notwithstanding of course.
You realize you're making an economics argument against a CANCER vaccine?
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Influenza sure (its common enough and no offence to those with HPV but influenza isnt preventable, HPV is), but how many people are infected by this 1/100?
HPV (the virus). Approximately 20 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. Another 6 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that at least 50% of sexually active men and women get it at some point in their lives.
Genital warts. About 1% of sexually active adults in the U.S. have genital warts at any one time.
Cervical cancer. Each year, about 12,000 women get cervical cancer in the U.S. Almost all of these cancers are HPV-associated.
Other cancers that can be caused by HPV are less common than cervical cancer. Each year in the U.S., there are about:
1,500 women who get HPV-associated vulvar cancer
500 women who get HPV-associated vaginal cancer
400 men who get HPV-associated penile cancer
2,700 women and 1,500 men who get HPV-associated anal cancer
1,500 women and 5,600 men who get HPV-associated oropharyngeal cancers (cancers of the back of throat including base of tongue and tonsils) [Note: Many of these cancers may also be related to tobacco and alcohol use.]
The burden on the health care system in treating those cancers is going to be a lot higher than the cost of immunizing every girl in the province.
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People can also lower their chances of getting HPV by being in a faithful relationship with one partner; limiting their number of sex partners; and choosing a partner who has had no or few prior sex partners. But even people with only one lifetime sex partner can get HPV. And it may not be possible to determine if a partner who has been sexually active in the past is currently infected. That's why the only sure way to prevent HPV is to avoid all sexual activity.
Who needs immunization when prevention is just so darn easy?
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