She's going to be on the time life cover again in about 10 years with the title, look I'm a helicopter.
Its funny how things have changed.
In my day, it was off the tit, out of the parents bed, and you can cry all you want we ain't coming. What's the matter with your legs, can't you get your own glass of water. Here's a damn bat I ain't looking under your bed for monsters.
Then it was its only a skinned knee suck it up. the only way that bully is going to respect you is if you fight back, and don't come to me if you don't, and if your grades don't improve I'm gonna tell your teacher to fail you. I'll give you something to cry about.
Then it was, get a job, why don't you have a job, your grades suck, I'd be proud of you if you were ######ed. 5 years til your moving out, 4 years til your moving out, 3 years til your moving out, 2 years til your moving out, here's a hundred bucks get out of my house, I can't believe you joined the army, you keep making bad decisions but they're your decisions, that girl is no good, thank god its her families job to pay for the wedding, what the hell do you mean the wedding is off, I rented a damn tux. Followed by
You paid money for that piece of crap car? You paid money for that piece of crap house? What do you mean you don't like your job? Your getting paid perfectly good money to hate it.
Your girlfriend told me that you sniffled at the end of field of dreams, I raised a sissy
Then
Lets get a beer.
Edit: Post reconsidered...my apologies to you Mr Crunch
Seriously though...when they get teeth, mother nature is telling you something.
I think people open themselves up for critizism when they have their picture plastered on the cover of a national magazine cover
Agreed, but it definitely happens far too often in general conversation. I try not to be overly chatty about what we do as parents unless asked, but in the odd time I've mentioned something it's been met with actual gasps. We don't really do anything overly crazy, but in mentioning that we let our oldest cry it out one woman told me they'd be too concerned that their kids would turn into serial killers to ever try that, while another woman made an overly dramatic shiver. It's obnoxious. IMO be it helicopter parent or neglectful like me, judging somebody outright for a parenting tactic that has no impact on your day to day lifestyle is a ###### move.
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I'm sure I would take over for the kid by 2. Hell I would fight the kid for the titty...
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There was a guy in my class in grades 1 - 5, whose mother picked him up at recess and had him eat a snack in the car. He wasn't allowed to play, he wasn't allowed to go to people's houses without his mom. He was at my place once, and his mom basically sat on the couch and watched us play - and my mom was like, 'WTF?' I suspect he's still being breastfed at ~30.
I want to track him down, just to beat him up.
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No way that kid is 3. Any woman who would pose for the magazine cover with her boob in her kid's mouth after the age of 3 is sick in my opinion. It's sexual abuse, and that poor kid on the cover of that magazine is not going to be able to go to any school and not be known as the 'suck-t*t' for the rest of his life. Then again, she'll probably home school him and safe a fortune in milk money. Not to mention, all of the pedophiles in the grocery stores waiting to buy their malt liquor and a pack of smokes are having a field day. Sick.
There was a guy in my class in grades 1 - 5, whose mother picked him up at recess and had him eat a snack in the car. He wasn't allowed to play, he wasn't allowed to go to people's houses without his mom. He was at my place once, and his mom basically sat on the couch and watched us play - and my mom was like, 'WTF?' I suspect he's still being breastfed at ~30.
I want to track him down, just to beat him up.
I wonder if it's the same mom that called me after her kid didn't get a job I interviewed him for. There can't possibly be more than one mom that obsessive, can there?
No way that kid is 3. Any woman who would pose for the magazine cover with her boob in her kid's mouth after the age of 3 is sick in my opinion. It's sexual abuse, and that poor kid on the cover of that magazine is not going to be able to go to any school and not be known as the 'suck-t*t' for the rest of his life. Then again, she'll probably home school him and safe a fortune in milk money. Not to mention, all of the pedophiles in the grocery stores waiting to buy their malt liquor and a pack of smokes are having a field day. Sick.
No oftence, but if you are sexually aroused by images of women nursing their children, then you are the one with the problem, not her and not her kid. Sexual abuse? Give me a break.
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I had only made the comments I made because I had been a stepfather and saw what had happened to the kid first hand. There is a very real difference between parenting and overparenting. It wasn't pretty, and the term helicopter parent exists for a reason. Anyone who is to become a functioning adult needs to learn independence and it's not something you can automatically teach a kid during their 17th year. It takes small steps for their whole childhood, heck we even take steps in our adult life.
Now and actual age might be hard to pin down, maybe 1 works for some families and maybe 3 works for others. But you can definitely go too long and you can definitely make it tougher on your child (and their adult life) by trying to be too nice or too protective (in all sorts of things, not just this breastfeeding example).
Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry.
Mama's gonna make all your nightmares come true.
Mama's gonna put all her fears into you.
Mama's gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mama's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Ooooh baby, ooooh baby, oooooh baby,
Of course mama's gonna help build the wall.
Hush now baby, baby don't you cry.
Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you.
Mama won't let anyone dirty get through.
Mama's gonna wait up until you get in.
Mama will always find out where you've been.
Mama's gonna keep baby healthy and clean.
Ooooh baby, oooh baby, oooh baby,
You'll always be baby to me.
Mother, did it need to be so high?
Who would have thought this was written in 1979, decades before the concept of "helicopter parents" entered the social consciousness.
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Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry.
Mama's gonna make all your nightmares come true.
Mama's gonna put all her fears into you.
Mama's gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mama's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Ooooh baby, ooooh baby, oooooh baby,
Of course mama's gonna help build the wall.
Hush now baby, baby don't you cry.
Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you.
Mama won't let anyone dirty get through.
Mama's gonna wait up until you get in.
Mama will always find out where you've been.
Mama's gonna keep baby healthy and clean.
Ooooh baby, oooh baby, oooh baby,
You'll always be baby to me.
Mother, did it need to be so high?
Who would have thought this was written in 1979, decades before the concept of "helicopter parents" entered the social consciousness.
Hey, that's Troutmans gig!
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I think it's amazing when people feel free to judge the way that others choose to parent.
It's a big world, and kids are raised in a million different ways. 99% of them turn out perfectly fine.
I try to mind my own business; and I hope for the same from others when it comes to how I parent my own kids. In fact, when people stick their noses into our business, that's generally one of those times that I let out the "other guy."
I don't think judging a parenting style in the context of a discussion forum is that abhorrent. We all judge as it helps us to determine how we would like to parent (or do anything, for that matter). I like how they're doing that, so I'm going to try it. I don't like how they're doing that, so I'm not going to do that.
I definitely think you should mind your own business when it comes to your friends. Parenting is a struggle and we're all just doing the best we can, for the most part. Each kid is different and requires a slightly (or drastically) different style of parenting. I'm a pretty judgmental person in general, but I've really been able to shut that off when it comes to how my friends raise their kids and I just trust their judgement.
On a discussion forum, however, I think it's fair to judge a topical issue like this. We have a magazine cover with a pretty shocking (to some) photo and topic. To say we shouldn't discuss it is kind of silly IMO.
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People also open themselves up for criticism when they act high and mighty about their own parenting styles. I'm not about to pretend I have all the answers--nor am I about to act like I actually care how long mothers breastfeed children that aren't mine. It's none of my business.
Okay, so you're secure in how you want to parent. Good for you. Maybe there are people that are not so sure of what is right and enjoy hearing the debate and opinions on both sides. I agree with you there is a bit of high and mighty attitude here...
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No way that kid is 3. Any woman who would pose for the magazine cover with her boob in her kid's mouth after the age of 3 is sick in my opinion. It's sexual abuse, and that poor kid on the cover of that magazine is not going to be able to go to any school and not be known as the 'suck-t*t' for the rest of his life. Then again, she'll probably home school him and safe a fortune in milk money. Not to mention, all of the pedophiles in the grocery stores waiting to buy their malt liquor and a pack of smokes are having a field day. Sick.
Just to play the Devil's Advocate for a moment here, but on the topic of that being sexual abuse:
Think about it from the standpoint of that kid growing up. Couldnt this in a way just be an almost forced or nurtured Oedipal complex? How is this kid going to have a normal sexual realtionship as an adult without thinking about mom every time he sees breasts?
As for the whole thing, I think its a terrible idea. Toss away all the weird sexual crap and the fact that 99% of parents instinctually dont do this and the likelihood that this infinitesimally tiny group of oddball parents happen to be the only ones doing it 'right' but my opinion is that kids need to be less attached to their parents.
I'm not going to go on a tangent about 'back in the day' because, quite honestly, I'm not old enough to do it and its a load of crap anyways. But in my current experience dealing with kids they could use more independance and responsibility in order to become independant adults.
Hell, just using my own friends and age group for example I think we're probably 5-7 years behind where the previous generation was at the same age, the next generation coming up is going to be hopelessly lost when mommy is gone, unavailable or just finally tired of dealing with whatever their kids' problems are.
In short, in my opinion we as a society are already too involved and too attached, taking it to this extreme is detrimental to the children's long-term well being as well as society's long-term well being.
And thats an opinion, not a judgement, but if you're going to take your parenting style, slap it on a magazine cover and call it the best way then I believe you are opening yourselves up to criticism and debate in the public eye. Where goes the magazine article the dissenting opinion should be entitled to follow.
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The TIME photo is offensive precisely because it is obscene, but it is not obscene because the young child in it is breastfeeding. Rather, it is obscene because it has taken something that is nurturing (and arguably scientifically best for children and women) and turned it into something salacious and indecent. Nothing about the photo is in any way representative of breastfeeding as it is. It seeks to make breastfeeding seem suggestive and forbidden, something tawdry that should be stopped before it gets out of control, something that should be hidden under a blanket. No matter that breasts are flaunted as sexual playthings in advertising and on magazine covers. In the latter context, breasts are kept in their place. It is the former that touches a nerve because it suggests that breasts might have another, more fundamental purpose, one that doesn't involve breasts as property or women as objects.
Perhaps the editors of TIME intended for the photo to inflame and kickstart further discussion about women's bodies and women's place in our culture. Perhaps they understood that breastfeeding is something so fundamental to being a woman, something as life-giving as the birth process itself, that it should be acceptable in our culture, without question and without blankets. Perhaps they wanted to make it loud and clear just how ridiculous it is to claim this act is obscene. Maybe they weren't just trying to sell magazines. I doubt it, but it is possible.
Crazys exist, so long as they dont make me pay for any issues they may have down the road or cry on why I should feel sorry for their kids when my kids make fun of the 7 year old who still sucks on his moms teet, parents can do whatever they want.
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No oftence, but if you are sexually aroused by images of women nursing their children, then you are the one with the problem, not her and not her kid. Sexual abuse? Give me a break.
I am pretty sure she referenced pedophiles being aroused at the cover. So unless you are suggesting she's a pedophile I don't think it is her who is aroused by the cover.
I think the whole situation is a bit twisted but that's just me. But doesn't it become abuse at some point? What if he's 8? 12? 16? 30? When does "oh, that's just how I nuture and raise my kid" stop and become some sort of abuse.
