^^^Apparently they avoided any full face or head on shots of the creature i the final cut, as they wanted to dehumanize it as much as possible.
Isn't there a close head shot when it does it's second mouth dealy? I know the best example of that was Alien 3, when the Alien decides not to harvet Ripley cause she is carrying the queen inside her, but wasn't there a similar scene in one of the first two?
I think a huge part of it also, was it was the absolute peak, of real life special effects using models, miniatures etc. And when you watch the action scenes in movies like Aliens, Predator...etc, the action looks better than CGI does now. CGI still doesn't look natural, and therefore, I feel it isn't as memorable.
Back to what you were saying about CG.
For example, here's a cheesy Godzilla movie but it's all live-action with real models, etc. and I still think it looks a lot better and cooler than a lot of today's CG. At least it feels inspiring that those are real explosions happening and real things that people built are getting destroyed. Mecha Godzilla looks badass in everything it's doing, even when it's just standing still. The jet on the other hand is CG and is intrinsically boring nomatter what it does.
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Isn't there a close head shot when it does it's second mouth dealy? I know the best example of that was Alien 3, when the Alien decides not to harvet Ripley cause she is carrying the queen inside her, but wasn't there a similar scene in one of the first two?
There were two scenes in the Alien where they had the closeup of the mouth thing, but you couldn't notice any form of human-like features. I just watched the '79 theatrical release last night, and didn't notice any humanoid features on the alien at all throughout the entire movie. I thought the picture hack& lube posted was from a subsequent movie, and not the original until I actually read his post.
There were two scenes in the Alien where they had the closeup of the mouth thing, but you couldn't notice any form of human-like features. I just watched the '79 theatrical release last night, and didn't notice any humanoid features on the alien at all throughout the entire movie. I thought the picture hack& lube posted was from a subsequent movie, and not the original until I actually read his post.
The still H&L posted isn't a screencap from the movie is it? I assumed it was a photo from some behind the scenes stuff.
I certainly don't remember any scenes in Alien when it is just sitting there all relaxed with its arms crossed just chilling out.
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The still H&L posted isn't a screencap from the movie is it? I assumed it was a photo from some behind the scenes stuff.
I certainly don't remember any scenes in Alien when it is just sitting there all relaxed with its arms crossed just chilling out.
Yeah that was a behind the scenes shot of the actor taking a break and he took off the translucent cover from the costume's head so he could see and ventilate.
It's very hard to see in the actual film because of the speed the alien moves and the darkness of the film but you can almost catch glimpses of that human skull.
It's gone in the later movies but it was part of Giger's original design which I think was way creepier.
Giger holding the actual costume parts:
One or more eyes on the side of it's head makes more sense though, for a creature that has significantly greater peripheral vision than human beings.
Hey! We don't know for sure if he died in Aliens. He's still MIA. I like to believe he's alive.
If the aliens didn't get him, I would assume the thermonuclear explosion would've finished him off.
He did have the best lines though:
Ripley: How long after we're declared overdue can we expect a rescue? Hicks: [pause] Seventeen days. Hudson: Seventeen *days?* Hey man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen *hours!* Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here... Ripley: Hudson! Hudson: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US! Ripley: Hudson! This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.
[to Newt] Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute] Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?
Put her in charge indeed...
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Wait, I am positive I've seen this before. I think it's in the special edition of Aliens. I'll have to check it when I get home.
EDIT: Nevermind, I am not crazy.
Wasn't that in the original release? The only thing I remember being different in the special edition was more of Newt's family life before the aliens took over.
There may have been some more stuff with Ripley after she was recovered from being in stasis.
If the aliens didn't get him, I would assume the thermonuclear explosion would've finished him off.
He did have the best lines though:
Ripley: How long after we're declared overdue can we expect a rescue? Hicks: [pause] Seventeen days. Hudson: Seventeen *days?* Hey man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen *hours!* Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here... Ripley: Hudson! Hudson: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US! Ripley: Hudson! This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.
[to Newt] Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute] Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?
Put her in charge indeed...
Sigh...I know...I just want him to live on in my heart. He was my favourite character, and has been my online gamer tag since I was 13.
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There were two scenes in the Alien where they had the closeup of the mouth thing, but you couldn't notice any form of human-like features.
Yeah, that's what I thought, I was responding to the 'they purposely didn't do any close shots' comment. Cause I thought there were a couple in the first movie or two.
And yeah, they went slightly away from Giger's original design. Cameron went even further in Aliens. Then they changed it completely in Alien 3 by saying that the Alien takes on properties of it's host when it gestates. The aliens in that one ran primarily on four legs because the first one gestated in a dog. They were faster though and they could climb better. In fact I think it was the first one where they started scrambling on the walls and ceiling. Which became popular in the comics and games.
As far as the skull design, I think it's cool too, but not because it makes me think of absorbing it's victims. More because it could show that there is an ancient evolutionary heritage with humans or other similar biped humanoids.
The absorbing thing seems kinda silly for me unless it's some sort of jelly or we already know that the various members of the species look different from each other.
And (again) I love the original Alien themes in the trailer. The original siren, the title build. Good stuff. Looks like they will do homage while presenting a very good new storyline. Which in my prediction will be a full reboot. Needed because the science has changed, but mostly because there were holes and continuity errors right from the second film. Don't get me wrong, it was 3 and 4 that screwed the pooch the most, but there are problems right from the get go.
And for fun, who thinks that Ms. Meredith Vickers is a synthetic? Sure seems that way and we know that they like to surprise us with one. (3 of 4 films). Although, with all the knowledge out there, it could be the double fake out.
It is in the box set, D gun I believe stops firing at 3 rounds? So they know that way is clear. Thats when they decided to come through the roof if I remember correctly.
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And (again) I love the original Alien themes in the trailer. The original siren, the title build. Good stuff. Looks like they will do homage while presenting a very good new storyline. Which in my prediction will be a full reboot. Needed because the science has changed, but mostly because there were holes and continuity errors right from the second film. Don't get me wrong, it was 3 and 4 that screwed the pooch the most, but there are problems right from the get go.
And for fun, who thinks that Ms. Meredith Vickers is a synthetic? Sure seems that way and we know that they like to surprise us with one. (3 of 4 films). Although, with all the knowledge out there, it could be the double fake out.
Can't wait for this film!
Michael Fassbender is already confirmed as a synthetic. That's not to say Vickers couldn't but 2 would seem weird.
