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Old 05-26-2005, 12:12 PM   #61
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- An ongoing study of a large shock trauma unit found that 19 percent of crash victims under age 18 tested positive for marijuana.9
Completely useless stat. 19% of 16-18 yo's in the whole of population may well test positive for marijuana. Probably sounds about right, maybe a little low. Keep in mind, that unlike alcohol tests, marijuana tests don't test if you are impaired, but if you've used in the weeks or months before the test.
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And I'm sorry if one of the biggest complaints in the states is that people are willing to turn a blind eye to criminal acts, and selling drugs is a criminal act. The three year mandatory is all about going after people who are distributing drugs. Its not about turning in children specifically.
Selling alcohol (a drug) is not considered a criminal act. Why is marijuana different?
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1. It's illegal. Breaking the law is dumb. You go to prison. The sentences set down by the laws may look off kilter (and I have complained incessantly about the lack of umph in the sentences for sex offenders) but they are there and if someone breaks the law they should NOT be surprised when they are sentenced.
And so in your world-view there is not the possibility that a country may have a law that doesn't make sense?

If spitting were illegal, would you be trying to defend that law? If so, you're a complete and total sheep. A tool. Someone who can't think for themselves and bends over to authority without questioning it.
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Don't have a problem w/ the word, have a problem w/ the hypocracy of drinking beer, while deriding weed. I condone your word useage
Why? Are they exactly the same?

Sell me on that one. Be careful though. [/b][/quote]
They aren't the same but they are more similar in terms of magnitude of effects than let's say magic mushrooms or ecstacy or LSD.

If you haven't tried them, how could you argue they aren't very similar? You just wouldn't know.
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And I'm sorry if one of the biggest complaints in the states is that people are willing to turn a blind eye to criminal acts, and selling drugs is a criminal act. The three year mandatory is all about going after people who are distributing drugs. Its not about turning in children specifically.
Selling alcohol (a drug) is not considered a criminal act. Why is marijuana different? [/b][/quote]
because at this point of time, the sale of liquor is legal, the sale of Marijuana is illegal.

That argument and any argument can really only be changed if dope is decriminalized.
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1. It's illegal. Breaking the law is dumb. You go to prison. The sentences set down by the laws may look off kilter (and I have complained incessantly about the lack of umph in the sentences for sex offenders) but they are there and if someone breaks the law they should NOT be surprised when they are sentenced.
And so in your world-view there is not the possibility that a country may have a law that doesn't make sense?

If spitting were illegal, would you be trying to defend that law? If so, you're a complete and total sheep. A tool. Someone who can't think for themselves and bends over to authority without questioning it. [/b][/quote]
Yes. There are plenty of laws that don't make sense. But if it's going to put me in jail for 5 years to break one of them I ain't doing it. That makes me smarter than someone who is willing to take that risk to 'relax'.
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Don't have a problem w/ the word, have a problem w/ the hypocracy of drinking beer, while deriding weed.# I condone your word useage

Why? Are they exactly the same?

Sell me on that one. Be careful though.
They aren't the same but they are more similar in terms of magnitude of effects than let's say magic mushrooms or ecstacy or LSD.

If you haven't tried them, how could you argue they aren't very similar? You just wouldn't know. [/b][/quote]
They are clearly different. They have differing effects, both longterm and short term. For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema. There's a difference and the main one I was referring to over and over again.

Yet I'm a tool and I've been talked down to because I've never tried marijuana.
Hilarious.

Oh, and by the way, I wasn't arguing that they aren't very similar. Ags point of hypocracy, however, hinges on them being equals on all levels....by definition. That's why I asked him if they were the same. Of course, as always, that got lost in your rush to school me.
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For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema.
Nope, but cigarettes will.

And alcohol can give you things like cirrhosis of the liver, "liver disease, heart disease, certain forms of cancer, pancreatitis, and nervous system disorders" (http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...lcoholism.html).

Neither are good for you. That argument is pretty weak.

(And I might add that smoking marijuana is not the only way to ingest it.)
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Don't have a problem w/ the word, have a problem w/ the hypocracy of drinking beer, while deriding weed.# I condone your word useage

Why? Are they exactly the same?

Sell me on that one. Be careful though.

They aren't the same but they are more similar in terms of magnitude of effects than let's say magic mushrooms or ecstacy or LSD.

If you haven't tried them, how could you argue they aren't very similar? You just wouldn't know.
They are clearly different. They have differing effects, both longterm and short term. For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema. There's a difference and the main one I was referring to over and over again.

Yet I'm a tool and I've been talked down to because I've never tried marijuana.
Hilarious. [/b][/quote]
Smoking pot won't give you liver cancer or cirrhosis.
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For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema.
Nope, but cigarettes will.

And alcohol can give you things like cirrhosis of the liver, "liver disease, heart disease, certain forms of cancer, pancreatitis, and nervous system disorders" (http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...lcoholism.html).

Neither are good for you. That argument is pretty weak.

(And I might add that smoking marijuana is not the only way to ingest it.) [/b][/quote]
Wow.

That wasn't my argument at all. You might want to try reading the thread again and not hit the reset button on your brain before reading each new post.
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Smoking pot won't give you liver cancer or cirrhosis.
No shinguard?

What the fata is it with you guys. You're completely unable to follow an argument. I haven't once said marijuana is worse for you than alcohol or flipping anything for that matter. Yet you guys jump right on that....which feeds right into the point I was making from the beginning. Those that are desperate to justify their use of marijuana do so by making comparisons to alcohol and cigarettes. It makes no sense.

Alcohol and cigarettes are horrible for you, but legal. So because of that you want to smoke pot too?

Is ANYBODY getting this?
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For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema. There's a difference and the main one I was referring to over and over again.

Oh I'm sorry.

It really was crystal clear and I can't believe I missed it. You pointed out health problems related to pot and alcohol and said there was a difference. Somehow I took that to mean that there were health problems related to pot and alcohol and you were saying they were different.
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For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema. There's a difference and the main one I was referring to over and over again.

Oh I'm sorry.

It really was crystal clear and I can't believe I missed it. You pointed out health problems related to pot and alcohol and said there was a difference. Somehow I took that to mean that there were health problems related to pot and alcohol and you were saying they were different. [/b][/quote]
Now go back to the post I was responding to! It asked how they were different. Well, there's a difference....and it's the one I referred to earlier as being one of the main reasons I won't ever smoke anything, including marijuana.

But, yeah, that was cloudy as shinguard wasn't it.
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Don't have a problem w/ the word, have a problem w/ the hypocracy of drinking beer, while deriding weed.# I condone your word useage

Why? Are they exactly the same?

Sell me on that one. Be careful though.

They aren't the same but they are more similar in terms of magnitude of effects than let's say magic mushrooms or ecstacy or LSD.

If you haven't tried them, how could you argue they aren't very similar? You just wouldn't know.

They are clearly different. They have differing effects, both longterm and short term. For instance, drinking alcohol will not give you lung cancer or emphysema. There's a difference and the main one I was referring to over and over again.

Yet I'm a tool and I've been talked down to because I've never tried marijuana.
Hilarious.
Smoking pot won't give you liver cancer or cirrhosis. [/b][/quote]
Its not conclusive but not for sure that Marijuana dosen't cause cancer.

From the American Cancer Society

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Marijuana contains more tar than cigarettes. Marijuana is also inhaled very deeply and the smoke is held in the lungs for a long time. Marijuana is smoked all the way to the end where tar content is the highest. Many of the cancer-causing substances in tobacco are also found in marijuana. Because marijuana is an illegal substance, it is not possible to control whether it contains fungi, pesticides, and other additives. Medical reports suggest marijuana may cause cancers of the mouth and throat.

It has been hard to prove a connection between marijuana and lung cancer because it is not easy to gather information about the use of illegal drugs. Also, many marijuana smokers also smoke cigarettes. This makes it difficult to know how much of the risk is from tobacco and how much is from marijuana.

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Is ANYBODY getting this?
Um, considering nobody can follow your argument, maybe it's a problem with your argument and not the people that can't follow it? Why don't you actually elucidate your point clearly so we can understand what it is, and try doing it without the personal attacks you've been making? We've -- or at least I've -- been nothing but civil towards you in this thread.
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Is ANYBODY getting this?
Um, considering nobody can follow your argument, maybe it's a problem with your argument and not the people that can't follow it? Why don't you actually elucidate your point clearly so we can understand what it is, and try doing it without the personal attacks you've been making? We've -- or at least I've -- been nothing but civil towards you in this thread. [/b][/quote]
I was asking the observers actually. I've figured out that you guys aren't following shinguard. I was looking for people who can actually follow what I've been saying but have been keeping quiet before I publicly bow to your superior writing skills.

Personal attacks? Name one.
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Forget it. It's not worth arguing with people whose minds are completely closed on a subject.
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Forget it. It's not worth arguing with people whose minds are completely closed on a subject.
and what subject is my mind closed on?

It's not worth arguing with people who are unwilling or incapable of presenting an argument in support of their stance that is rooted in logic (actually Ag had some above, but then reverted back to the alcohol is just as bad and legal line) instead of affection for getting high.
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Forget it. It's not worth arguing with people whose minds are completely closed on a subject.
and what subject is my mind closed on?

It's not worth arguing with people who are unwilling or incapable of presenting an argument in support of their stance that is rooted in logic (actually Ag had some above, but then reverted back to the alcohol is just as bad and legal line) instead of affection for getting high. [/b][/quote]
That's not really fair now is it? I haven't been near the reefer in a millenia but I still think it should be legal. If it suddenly became legal it wouldn't change anything for me. I don't argue for it because I want to get high.
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Nor I. None of my arguments in this thread have come from a position of "I want to continue getting high". I have no desire to divulge personal habits on this message board and what I do or don't do should have zero bearing on the validity of my argument.

Personally DFF, I'm quite convinced that you're coming in to this discussion with your mind made up about what everyone against you thinks and feels and regardless of what they say, you've got them pigeonholed. If you could do us a favor and actually point out which post in this thread presented your logical argument for, uh, whatever your argument is for, then I'd be happy to discuss that, but your last 10 posts or so have been derogatory and condescending and their only substance was "you people are too brain dead to figure out what I'm talking about".

I don't know why you're so worked up about this because I don't think any of the rest of us are, on either side of the debate.
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