Feaster: "I really feel Jarome will finish his career here in Calgary"

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

This sentiment seems to be really prevalent on this board and I'm not sure why. = I'm frightened to look at the standings. Even my stock portfolio looks better in comparison.

This is not a good team right now and not many expected to be = we have really sucked for a few years now and there was no reason to think this year would be different.

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.= The team sucks so bad we might as well bring up the kids as it won't make a bit of difference, we will suck so bad we will draft top 5.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.= The team is full of players that suck so badly no one in their right mind would bother to resign them.

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. = I've run out of my meds again.


It just takes a bit of perspective.

Translated it for you

And what do you suggest?

Would you perfer a state of panic and that we force bad trades?

Again it's really pretty simple:

We have some good young talent, there's a lot of players coming off the cap this year and next, we will draft high in a deep draft, and can trade off some players for more picks and prospects closer to the deadline.

Would you rather we just fold as an organization right now? While the sarcasm and pessimism of your post is golden and hilarious... what do you suggest be done differently?

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

He is going to be traded for elite level prospects.

Really?

Names?

That couldn't be any farther from a 'fact'.

And just because we don't trade Iginla does = we won't trade our other assets. Again, you lean to an extreme.

[kyuss275]

No crap Feaster say's " I really feel Jarome will finish his career in Calgary", that's what the owners want. From everything i have heard, if Iggy does not ask for a trade by the end of the season, i would not doubt ownership giving Iggy a blank cheque at the end of the year and saying ' just fill in what you want'.

This is not in Feasters hand, it is between ownership and Iggy. I really wonder how the Agm feels about it? I thought i read that he likes building teams through drafts and prospects. You would think he would love a chnace to get an extra 1st and a blue chip prospect.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

And what do you suggest?

Would you perfer a state of panic and that we force bad trades?

Again it's really pretty simple:

We have some good young talent, there's a lot of players coming off the cap this year and next, we will draft high in a deep draft, and can trade off some players for more picks and prospects closer to the deadline.

Would you rather we just fold as an organization right now? While the sarcasm and pessimism of your post is golden and hilarious... what do you suggest be done differently?

Trade your best assets that are wasted on a bottem feeding team to both bring in more picks and prospects and also enable the team to drop the couple of spots to hopefully draft a truely franchise player to replace them in 2 or 3 years, it is pretty much the league blueprint in the cap era.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

Part of me thinks that that wasn't just lawyer speak. And that has me terrified that this organization and its owners/management don't have the fortitude to make the tough calls.

Yeah. Nothing would be worse than seeing Iginla miss the playoffs with us for 5 years straight while he diminishes and we fail to suck enough to draft our next franchise player. It's scary to think about.

I don't think Feaster is deluded though, if this team continues to look like it has for another 1/4-1/3 of the season I don't think they can fool themselves that we are a Stanley Cup contender anytime soon.

His statement about rebuilding during the session prior to the season does have me worried. At the time I foolishly thought we wouldn't be this bad

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.

It is nice that Horak and Brodie have played well but they are far from the top end talent that is needed to be successful in the NHL.

In reality the young talent that the Flames have in their line-up is likely in the bottom 5 of NHL teams right now, with a bottom 5 group of prospects outside of the NHL to go along with it.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. In the small picture of this season, we're not heading in the "right" direction in terms of making the playoffs, but I'm at a loss why that notion hasn't been dispelled for some people around here.

A whole bunch of salary and a team that isn't going to be attractive to anyone worth using the salary on.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Trade your best assets that are wasted on a bottem feeding team to both bring in more picks and prospects and also enable the team to drop the couple of spots to hopefully draft a truely franchise player to replace them in 2 or 3 years, it is pretty much the league blueprint in the cap era.

Brilliant. Should we do this within the next 24 hours? Or do you think there might be a qualified team of people on this already and that it might be a tad to early to panic?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Really?

Names?

That couldn't be any farther from a 'fact'.

And just because we don't trade Iginla does = we won't trade our other assets. Again, you lean to an extreme.

I don't have exact names because I don't know which teams are interested in him but looking at deals for others recently and hearing talk of what LA was willing to give up for him last year and I don't see why you have such a hard time believing that Iginla can get some top level guys/picks back to Calgary.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by boogerz

I don't think anyone is qualified to make statements like this unless they're part of the Flames organization and/or or in the dressing room, and know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe Iginla is the problem, maybe is isn't.

You mean like Warraner and Playfair?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Brilliant. Should we do this within the next 24 hours? Or do you think there might be a qualified team of people on this already and that it might be a tad to early to panic?

Actually I have consistantly said since the Phanuef trade that it should have been done then, 3 years ago.
To be frank the time to panic was over years ago, the team will suck for 3 to 4 years no matter what they do.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

While there are some good young players, there are no real blue chippers. Sven is the closest to one. Nimesz is good, but 2nd line potential? Byron - 2nd line. Horak - 2nd line. Backlund - I'd argue 1st line, but tonights not a good night for that. Brodie? Still think he's 2nd-3rd D. Butler I see as 3rd-4th D.

I see a lot of 2nd liners / 2nd pairing defenseman with one or two 1st liners and no blueline studs - IF they all turn out as expected. There is a large gap between our core of early 30's, and our future of early 20's - the 22-30 range is very thin - Gio and Bouw. That huge gap is also scary. As we wait for Sven and Nimesz, Iginla will be 35? 36?

... AND, to barely hang on as a tier above bottom dweller, if we even are, is riding on the back of Kiprusoff. I want to first see this team be competitive without Kiprusoff, then put in an all star goalie... rather than hang onto a all star goalie to keep from being a last place team.



Yeah, us and 23 other teams in the league. There's a large pool of teams out there doing bidding as well.


I look at teams around the league, we are a league away from being a competitive thread to the contenders of the league; being a dark horse is a distant shadow. At best, we're a pipsqueek threat to make the playoffs, riding on the hope that teams will underestimate us in the playoffs and we can get through a round before the rest of the league finds out they make have to take the Flames semi-seriously. The good teams are the ones that everyone else marks on their calendar as a bench mark - that used to be us. Listen to the interviews - nobody does that even more.

Again, perspective.

I responded to you saying "this team is headed in the wrong direction".

Again there are quite a few good young players already on the roster, a few on the verge, and a few attractive prospects on the farm.

nowhere did I say there were blue chippers or that we're "set" moving forward.

But we are headed in the right direction.

Everyone who keeps huffing and puffing about a rebuild needs to relax. We are rebuilding. It takes time.

This team will look dramatically different by this time next year, will have drafted fairly high, and hopefully will have moved some players for additional young prospects.

In no way is this team headed in the "wrong" direction moving forward. A rebuild / retool takes time and patience.

Originally Posted by moon

It is nice that Horak and Brodie have played well but they are far from the top end talent that is needed to be successful in the NHL.

In reality the young talent that the Flames have in their line-up is likely in the bottom 5 of NHL teams right now, with a bottom 5 group of prospects outside of the NHL to go along with it.

Again, coming from a guy who called Byron "garbage"... excuse me if I don't take your opinion as gospel when it comes to our prospect pool. You are notorious for downplaying almost anyone this team has in their system.

It's by no means top end, but it's a pretty good base to build on from here if we trade smart, draft well and spend some money wisely during free agency in the next couple years.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

It is nice that Horak and Brodie have played well but they are far from the top end talent that is needed to be successful in the NHL.

In reality the young talent that the Flames have in their line-up is likely in the bottom 5 of NHL teams right now, with a bottom 5 group of prospects outside of the NHL to go along with it.



A whole bunch of salary and a team that isn't going to be attractive to anyone worth using the salary on.

I would also add that people need to realize that while we have a bunch of salary coming off the books at the end of the year so do most teams. I think we have the 16th most cap space for next year. That is not even top 10. The top 2 teams have over $40 million of cap space. To put it in another percpective Washington ( who has a lot more talent) is 17th on the list with only $500,000 less to spend than the flames.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't have exact names because I don't know which teams are interested in him but looking at deals for others recently and hearing talk of what LA was willing to give up for him last year and I don't see why you have such a hard time believing that Iginla can get some top level guys/picks back to Calgary.

I simply said top young talent that aren't sure things.

You said "elite level prospects".

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Again, coming from a guy who called Byron "garbage"... excuse me if I don't take your opinion as gospel when it comes to our prospect pool.

I loved saying it at the time but hearing you whine and cry about the Byron comment makes it even more enjoyable today.

You are notorious for downplaying almost anyone this team has in their system.

I admit that I don't get as worked up about guys based on the little things that they do outside of the NHL as others. It isn't like I am alone in the hockey world with my views on the Flames prospects just alone when put in a group filled up with many fans that tend to take a more homeristic view of the young guys.

It's by no means top end, but it's a pretty good base to build on from here if we trade smart, draft well and spend some money wisely during free agency in the next couple years.

Its a base filled with guys that every single other team has and maybe a gem in Baertschi.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

I simply said top young talent that aren't sure things.

You said "elite level prospects".

Elite level prospect like a Brayden Schenn is certainly possible in my books of a type of guy that could come back in an Iginla trade.

[Tinordi]

The overrating of our young players needs to stop and that includes Baertschi.

[Phanuthier]

^ To me, the first steps in moving forward is that this team should be able to (a) compete at both ends of the ice, (b) show that they believe in themselves when they are down a goal, and (c) show they can win with any NHL goalie, and not rely on Kiprusoff so heavily. Star goalies are there for you to make the key save in big games, not routinely clean up your mess cause your top pairing defenseman can't clear the net, or you are pinned in your own zone cause your forwards don't play in their own zone.

This team has taken a step back each year the past 2 years, and this year seems to be the biggest fall so far. IMO it takes more than a few young players to convince me they are on the right track. I look at this team, and I don't think we've hit rock bottom yet. I think we're getting there, but not yet.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

I loved saying it at the time but hearing you whine and cry about the Byron makes it even more enjoyable today.

It's pretty clear you love being negative, but I couldn't care less about that comment in and of itself.

As I've said several times now, it just outed your bias and inability to be objective and really underlined what you're all about.

It was abundantly clear in Byron's good showing up with the big team to date you were more interested in saving face with regard to your asinine comments than you were giving the guy some props for playing well.

And that just speaks to my whole point about you and how much your opinion is worth on this kind of topic.

[Henry Fool]

As if tonight wasn't depressing enough. Refusing to trade Iginla sounds like a terrible mistake. There's no new team so long as the captain remains.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

Elite level prospect like a Brayden Schenn is certainly possible in my books of a type of guy that could come back in an Iginla trade.

Philly is in no position to add a seven million dollar salary.