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Old 08-08-2011, 08:20 AM   #61
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you know Tinordi, I know we disagree on a lot of things, but I have to say, that you and I can't be any more opposite when it comes to Jim Morrison.

The guy was creative, brilliant, gifted, was a great lead singer, was the rare lead singer that could truly incite a crowd, and in terms of his lyric's there aren't many artists out there that even come close.

People might think nowdays that his death elevated his reputation, nut Morrison and the doors were absolutely huge and utterly respected for their artist abilities.

Morrison was an amazing frontman . Robby Krieger was the better song writer.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:49 AM   #62
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Jackie Chan has had way more Hollywood titles than Bruce Lee. Clearly this is due to lifespan but you can't say Bruce Lee was more successful. He definitely paved the way for Jackie Chan, but to say there weren't any successful asian actors after Bruce Lee isn't true.
He did follow Bruce Lee and failed miserably in the 80s. Remember The Big Brawl? What a disaster. Now he's gotten a 2nd chance to play goofy sidekicks behind Chris Tucker and Owen Wilson, blah.

Bruce Lee was a leading man, top billing actor. Does anyone even know anyone else in a Bruce Lee movie. And his movie were popular worldwide, everyone knew him from Asia, to Europe, to America. A true international star in the 70s.

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Jackie Chan is dead??? By the way, the Drunken Master series are probably some of the best martial arts series, or even everything Jackie Chan has done before moving from HK.
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The thing I'll say about Nirvana is that, considering the level of musical talent Dave Grohl has shown himself to have, I think it's totally reasonable to believe the group would have continued to put out top-flight music for at least a few more albums.
I don't know if Nirvana still would have been out on top of the mainsteam charts, but probably would have still been releasing quality albums that still appealed to their core audience, but likely have fallen out of the mainsteam favour.

Listening to Cobain's interviews in "About a Son", its hard to tell if he would have tried to make pop/rock sounding punk music that adapted to new tastes. I think he was ready to put that in his past and move towards new things - alluding to breaking up the band and doing solo work.

But alas..
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:06 AM   #64
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Billie Holiday, tragically few original recordings. Beautiful singer.

Tammi Terrell, ditto. Her death also majorly impacted Marvin Gaye's career.

I would say that John Lennon still had lots of music left in him. Lots of great music.

Winehouse is a legitimate loss. She only had two albums but they were fantastic.
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Seeing as there's a crapton of non-bibical evidence indicating the existence of Jesus, I'd say not only is your comment foolish, but that Jesus wins this whole thread walking away
Provide examples, please.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:41 AM   #66
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Jackie Chan is dead??? By the way, the Drunken Master series are probably some of the best martial arts series, or even everything Jackie Chan has done before moving from HK.
No, he's not dead. I was replying to the original post that said there hasn't been a successful asian actor since Bruce Lee. I argued that Jackie Chan was very successful.
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Baseball legend Roberto Clemente, Pittsburgh Pirates.

12 time gold glove, 15 time all star Died at the age of 38 in 1972 on New Years Eve in plane crash while providing aid for earthquake victims!
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Don't see how Kennedy is overrated

I think he is rated highly for the wrong reason, because of his charisma etc.

But the way he and the EXCOMM handled the cuban missile crisis was even in hindsight almost picture perfect
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:30 AM   #69
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I fully believe that if Cliff Burton didn't die then Metallica would have kept making good albums. His songwriting and musicianship are a big part of what made their first three albums awesome, especially Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets.
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:37 AM   #70
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Bruce Lee was way more than just an actor. He was a truly interesting philosopher, author and a deeply talented martial artist who broke down barriers. His death was very tragic as he would have without a doubt continued to give many gifts to the world.

Thumbs up to the suggestion of Robert Johnson, but what do you suspect would happen when you sell your soul to the devil for your talents?

Who wouldn't consider Jay Z to be a rapper anymore? The guy is amazing.\

Good thread GS.
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:37 AM   #71
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Here's what Gore Vidal says about Kennedy, whom he knew fairly well:

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Old 08-08-2011, 10:48 AM   #72
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JFK was positioning to end the Cold War much earlier than what history provided. I do agree that RFK was the smarter of the two brothers.
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:52 AM   #73
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Can't believe these two haven't been debated yet.

Chris Farley:



Legitimately good. His stuff from SNL is legendary. David Spade has done well for himself, but there was something special about Chris and David's chemistry. Tommy Boy is still one of my favorite movies of all time. Farley was originally selected to play the part of Shrek, and was also in collaboration to make and star in a film about Fatty Arbuckle. Without Farley we now have to endure an endless stream of Kevin James, Hollywood's replacement as the 'heavy funny guy'.

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I really have no right to comment on whether he is overrated or a legit talent. His work and his untimely death were before my time. I have seen bits and pieces of some of his SNL work, and never really sat through any of his movies. He was the biggest influence on Chris Farley, and they both died at the same age of 33.
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And they say there's a Heaven,
And those who will wait.
And some say it's better,
But I say it ain't!

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

The sinners are much more fun...

You know that only the good die young!
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:56 AM   #75
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Bill Hicks died at the age of 32 as he came into his best material. Considering most comedians don't hit their prime until their 40s, Hicks was a great loss.
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Morrison's lyrics were garbage. Random english words are not poetry.
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Morrison's lyrics were garbage. Random english words are not poetry.
You just opened up a whole world of debate on the subjectivity of art.
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Legitimately good. His stuff from SNL is legendary. David Spade has done well for himself, but there was something special about Chris and David's chemistry. Tommy Boy is still one of my favorite movies of all time. Farley was originally selected to play the part of Shrek, and was also in collaboration to make and star in a film about Fatty Arbuckle. Without Farley we now have to endure an endless stream of Kevin James, Hollywood's replacement as the 'heavy funny guy'.
Any fan of his should read The Chris Farley Show , a biography done by his brother. Very tragic read, but also very interesting and enjoyable for any SNL fan during his era. Sad how close he came to mainstream stardom with Shrek & Fatty Arbuckle, both mentioned in the book. I didn't realize he was 90% done the Shrek voiceover work, to the point where they almost just had someone come in who sounded like him to finish the rest. He would've been hilarious as Shrek. I wish you could hear some of the voiceover work, I hear it was classic, and quite a different character than the Mike Myers version.
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Here's what Gore Vidal says about Kennedy, whom he knew fairly well:

Gore Vidal !

That's kind of like asking Ed Braodbent about his thoughts on Tommy Douglass.
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Bill Hicks died at the age of 32 as he came into his best material. Considering most comedians don't hit their prime until their 40s, Hicks was a great loss.
And one that we lost in his '40s was the late, great John Candy. I think he was taken much too quickly - a genius comic and a Canadian treasure.
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