Oslo Bombing *Updated in first post*

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Was this an island on a lake, or off the coast? I hate to think people were swimming in the North Atlantic for the mainland.

It's hard to imagine the level of cowardice and hatred it takes to open fire on unarmed people like that.

On a lake.

[RedJester]

The anger I am feeling about these people being killed for no good reason is vastly overshadowed by the anger I feel towards the people who use a belief in a fairy tale as justification for their actions.

I'm not an atheist, but every day I hate religion more and more.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Was this an island on a lake, or off the coast? I hate to think people were swimming in the North Atlantic for the mainland.

It's hard to imagine the level of cowardice and hatred it takes to open fire on unarmed people like that.

Its a tiny island on a lake 1h drive west from Oslo.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0...urce=embed&z=9

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Not to mention a remote location that is difficult for police, military, and medical personnel to access. Sadly, the only thing that says cowardice more than attacking unarmed civilians is attacking children.

I agree, but at the risk of sounding cold, Lenin once said that the objective of terrorism was to terrorize, and in a lot of ways, this attack though small and simple could be just as effective as 9/11.

9/11 was a extremely complex operation that was probably hideously expensive and in the end was extremely costly as the people that pulled it off effectively stood up. At the end of the day, though it was a success on every major executable criteria it was a failure because it lead to pretty much the destruction of Al-Queda.

The success of 9/11 and the aftershocks were more fortunate for them then planned. They had no way of knowing that 9/11 would inadvertantly lead to the destruction of the American Economy.

But there was no real followup for 9/11 because they were being chased.

In this case, they may have caught somebody, but the person they caught is probably a foot soldier in a small cell, the trail will blow dry within a day or two, and I bet there will be a series of followup attacks by other cells.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But there was no real followup for 9/11 because they were being chased.

I know what you're getting at here, but I don't know if this is true. I study the intelligence community in my graduate program, and there is definitely cases of homegrown terrorist plots both linked and not-linked to al-Qaeda that were disrupted before they happened. Alot of these stories just don't get reported, and often times are also located abroad. There are far more failed attempts than there are successful ones.

[868904]

Assuming this is really the work of islamic radicals.

This really sucks for Islam and good muslims around the world.

However, muslims are really the only ones who can stop this.

Yet all they ever do is say "oh this is not the real us" and sit there with their arms crossed.

Muslims should really be leading the counter terrorist efforts to save their religion, beliefs and name.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Was this an island on a lake, or off the coast? I hate to think people were swimming in the North Atlantic for the mainland.

It's hard to imagine the level of cowardice and hatred it takes to open fire on unarmed people like that.

The island is in a fjord. From google maps, I'd estimate it's about 600-700m to the mainland.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The success of 9/11 and the aftershocks were more fortunate for them then planned. They had no way of knowing that 9/11 would inadvertantly lead to the destruction of the American Economy.

Terrorists were responsible for the sub-prime mortgage crisis?

[Coach]

^^^ I think he's speaking more towards the debt theyve accumulated because of the wars in the Middle East.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by 868904

Assuming this is really the work of islamic radicals.

This really sucks for Islam and good muslims around the world.

However, muslims are really the only ones who can stop this.

Yet all they ever do is say "oh this is not the real us" and sit there with their arms crossed.

Muslims should really be leading the counter terrorist efforts to save their religion, beliefs and name.

Completely agree. It's like those Vancouver rioters right? While it might only be a few bad apples causing real problems... if everyone just sits around with their arms crossed or in some cases eggs the bad apples on, they're still partly responsible.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ I think he's speaking more towards the debt theyve accumulated because of the wars in the Middle East.

I realize that, but the amounts spent on the wars are negligible when compared with the chaos caused by the sub-prime crisis and the collapse of the real estate market.

Also, as long as Americans continue using American weapons, military spending acts as more of a stimulus package, as opposed to just vanishing in mid-air.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I know what you're getting at here, but I don't know if this is true. I study the intelligence community in my graduate program, and there is definitely cases of homegrown terrorist plots both linked and not-linked to al-Qaeda that were disrupted before they happened. Alot of these stories just don't get reported, and often times are also located abroad. There are far more failed attempts than there are successful ones.

I agree with what your saying, but these operations were amateur and badly planned, and they had the focus on them by a badly embarressed U.S. intelligence community and senior government officials.

Ultimately the minute that the first plane hit the World Trade Center, Al Queda was no longer an effective terrorist organization, it had basically forgotten all of the rules of terrorism for one massive strike.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by blankall

I realize that, but the amounts spent on the wars are negligible when compared with the chaos caused by the sub-prime crisis and the collapse of the real estate market.

Also, as long as Americans continue using American weapons, military spending acts as more of a stimulus package, as opposed to just vanishing in mid-air.

I agree, I was just speculating his thoughts. I should probably just stay out of it haha.

[Thor]

Just finished that video on that radical mullah, recommend you check it out it certainly speaks to what happened today even if he was not involved. Its produced by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

[billybob123]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But there was no real followup for 9/11 because they were being chased.

Who was responsible for the Atocha bombings in Madrid and the bus/subway bombings in London? Were they Al-Q-affiliated or "sympathizer" types? I'm not sure.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

I realize that, but the amounts spent on the wars are negligible when compared with the chaos caused by the sub-prime crisis and the collapse of the real estate market.

Also, as long as Americans continue using American weapons, military spending acts as more of a stimulus package, as opposed to just vanishing in mid-air.

Sure, but the other issues that were caused by 9/11 had a large part in the American Economy besides the actual money spend, which was huge.

American confidence was hard.

The govenment moved their focus away from domestic issues to foreign issues

The distraction of America's middle generation as they went off to war.

The removal of a flexible government that had a streak of panic in it.

[Thor]

Interesting if this ends up being true:

Unconfirmed reports say Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had been due to attend the camp

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by billybob123

Who was responsible for the Atocha bombings in Madrid and the bus/subway bombings in London? Were they Al-Q-affiliated or "sympathizer" types? I'm not sure.

I don't think either of them were AL-Q related. not totally sure on the Madrid one, but I don't think that they announced themselves.

[rubecube]

The amount ignorance and naivity in these three posts is so ridiculous that they aren't really worth response, but here goes.

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Why roll your eyes? It's the truth.

Really? So Christians have never engaged in acts of extremism because of something that offended them? Is this something you honestly believe?

Originally Posted by 868904

Assuming this is really the work of islamic radicals.

This really sucks for Islam and good muslims around the world.

However, muslims are really the only ones who can stop this.

Yet all they ever do is say "oh this is not the real us" and sit there with their arms crossed.

Muslims should really be leading the counter terrorist efforts to save their religion, beliefs and name.

Just what exactly are moderate Muslims supposed to do? Quite often they are just as much targets and victims of these attacks as non-Muslims are. There are numerous examples of Muslim leaders speaking out against these kinds of attacks, but what else can they really do? Do you really think it's logistically feasible to just have moderate Muslims from all over the world found some sort of anti-extremism task force and execute their plans without any kind of funding or legal jurisdiction from the various international bodies?

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Completely agree. It's like those Vancouver rioters right? While it might only be a few bad apples causing real problems... if everyone just sits around with their arms crossed or in some cases eggs the bad apples on, they're still partly responsible.

Again who is sitting around? Is it fair to blame all Christians for the attacks on doctors that perform abortions, or to blame all Catholics for the priests that go around diddling kids?

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think either of them were AL-Q related. not totally sure on the Madrid one, but I don't think that they announced themselves.

I thought that some Spanish Anarchist group took responsibility for that one.