Ryan Dunn of "Jackass" fame dies

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by T@T

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/06/20/0...tpic-asset.jpg

I have a feeling this isn't apple juice

I dunno, It has ice in it...

Also, he is loking at it, like "Is this apple juice?"

[RedMileDJ]

Looks like the owner of the bar is trying to cover his tracks. I'm thinking he's saying this so he doesn't get sued or whatever for over-serving.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2011/06/2...enn-story.html

The owner of a bar where tragic Jackass star Ryan Dunn partied with pals just hours before his death in a car crash has denied the TV prankster was drunk.

the star only had "a couple" of bottles of beer.

And here's my favorite quote:

"What happened was a tragic accident."

Accident my a##!

[YYC in LAX]

Wow, absolutely no remorse for the dead at Calgary Puck...

Driving at that speed andpossiblydrinking and driving is stupid, but to spit in the face and reserve no sympathies for someone who has passed away is pretty sad. Perhaps his death will serve as a lesson to those alike who choose to drink and drive, but to mock him and his death is disrespectful I think.

[CaptainCrunch]

Out of curiousity, why does he deserve much in the way of sympathy. His is the most extreme lesson as he took someone with him.

The sympathies should be reserved for the victim and the families of both dead men.

I have nothing but contempt for someone who was pounding them back, then hopped in his car and drove like an a$$.

Sorry it may sound callous, and it is, but this was a wasteful and stupid death, and people who drink and drive and cause the deaths of others aren't sympathetic characters who made a tragic mistake, they are dirtbags who made a concious and tragic decision and others had to pay for it.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Out of curiousity, why does he deserve much in the way of sympathy. His is the most extreme lesson as he took someone with him.

The sympathies should be reserved for the victim and the families of both dead men.

I have nothing but contempt for someone who was pounding them back, then hopped in his car and drove like an a$$.

Sorry it may sound callous, and it is, but this was a wasteful and stupid death, and people who drink and drive and cause the deaths of others aren't sympathetic characters who made a tragic mistake, they are dirtbags who made a concious and tragic decision and others had to pay for it.

I have an issue with the driver being a dirt bag, but the passenger being a victim.

In my younger, partying days, was much more likely to be the passenger in that situation than the driver. I usually avoided taking my car out if I was going to have more than a couple. Reflecting back, though, it was just as stupid and probably a little cowardly to take rides from friends I knew had too many. I don't really see how I was any less responsible for what might have happened to me vs the driver. I think whoever is in the car at the time is pretty much equally responsible for what happens.

[YYC in LAX]

Edit: Nm

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Out of curiousity, why does he deserve much in the way of sympathy. His is the most extreme lesson as he took someone with him.

The sympathies should be reserved for the victim and the families of both dead men.

I have nothing but contempt for someone who was pounding them back, then hopped in his car and drove like an a$$.

Sorry it may sound callous, and it is, but this was a wasteful and stupid death, and people who drink and drive and cause the deaths of others aren't sympathetic characters who made a tragic mistake, they are dirtbags who made a concious and tragic decision and others had to pay for it.

Fair enough, I understand and respect your opinion on the matter.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Out of curiousity, why does he deserve much in the way of sympathy. His is the most extreme lesson as he took someone with him.

The sympathies should be reserved for the victim and the families of both dead men.

I have nothing but contempt for someone who was pounding them back, then hopped in his car and drove like an a$$.

Sorry it may sound callous, and it is, but this was a wasteful and stupid death, and people who drink and drive and cause the deaths of others aren't sympathetic characters who made a tragic mistake, they are dirtbags who made a concious and tragic decision and others had to pay for it.

I don't disagree, but perhaps we should wait to see if he was in fact drunk, one picture doesn't really tell us that. Then again, drunk or sober driving like that shows some pretty selfish and stupid decision making.

[troutman]

Roger Ebert's Ryan Dunn Death 'Jackass' Tweet Provokes Criticism, Debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...1&title=SteveO

"Friends don't let jackasses drink and drive," he tweeted around 3 pm EST. The message was met with a barrage of push back, including from blogger Perez Hilton's site.

"We certainly agree that driving after drinking is wrong, we think there's no reason - especially RIGHT NOW - that anyone should be pointing fingers or poking fun at a truly tragic situation," the site wrote. "Everyone makes mistake, and this is somebody's son. Too soon, Roger."

Around 8 pm, Ebert responded, defending his comment and the remarks of commenters on Hilton's site, many of whom agreed with Ebert.

"Perez Hilton's readers agree with me and not with Perez about my tweet on Ryan Dunn. He drank, he drove, 2 people died," Ebert wrote.

[CaptainCrunch]

I wish that people would quit using the term mistake when it comes to stuff like this and rioting in Vancouver.

Its a decision, you made it, you have to live with it, or have it kill you, there's no middle ground.

A mistake is dropping your car keys in the toilet after taking a dump.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I wish that people would quit using the term mistake when it comes to stuff like this and rioting in Vancouver.

Its a decision, you made it, you have to live with it, or have it kill you, there's no middle ground.

A mistake is dropping your car keys in the toilet after taking a dump.

While mostly agree with you it was a bad decision I still feel like it can be classified as a mistake. In your example using your logic you can say dropping your keys wasnt a mistake because you chose to play with your keys on the toilet. I realize it isnt exactly the same thing and ultimately hes,responsible and made some poor decisions.

Also I have a little,less sympathy because he had been pulled over before for a dui.

While it definitely is no excuse it's well known that alcohol does have a, significant impact on judgement and decision making causing you to make a decision you may not make sober. I guess that doesnt necessarily make it a mistake either though.

Now that said I have never driven drunk but everyone is different and alcohol affects everyone differently so its not as easy as saying "well i've never done it so someone else should have no problem not doing it".

I know i've done things I consider stupid and out of character for myself while drunk, things I would, consider a mistake, eithe because I did something that seemed like a good idea at the time or I didnt remember it at all. Obviously nowhere near as bad as this scenario!

Ill wait to find out if he was in fact drunk. Regardless, driving as fast as he was, was irresponsible and stupid. Adding alcohol to that equation is much worse.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I wish that people would quit using the term mistake when it comes to stuff like this and rioting in Vancouver.

Its a decision, you made it, you have to live with it, or have it kill you, there's no middle ground.

A mistake is dropping your car keys in the toilet after taking a dump.

I'm just curious...you KNOW Clarence Clemons loved to smoke the reefer, as he described in his autobiography. No, he didn't die in relation to his habits, but what if he did? Would you have started a tribute thread?

The only difference between Dunn's alleged illegal act of drinking and driving and Clemons' illegal act of smoking pot, is that Dunn's death was directly related. You're clearly anti-dunk driving which is great, but you can't pick and choose between the justification of illegal acts. It's almost as if you base your opinions on the way someone dies.

Also, just a reminder that at this point Dunn's death is not yet confirmed to be alcohol related. I will concede that chances are, he was under the influence, but you can't judge so quickly without evidence.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

So if it turns out that his BAC was only .01 will people still say they have no sympathy?

It seems that we seem to place so much hate towards driving drunk but I get the feeling if there were no reports of his drinking and he crashed going 180km/h people wouldn't hesitate to call it tragic.

IMO driving at 180 is bad no matter what your BAC. Right now we have no indication he was intoxicated. IF you're going to say you have no sympathy because he was driving like a maniac then you're a hypocrite if you change that tune when you find out he's sober vs drunk. IMO if you have no sympathy for a drunk driver you should have no sympathy for a guy doing 180.

Using the term "drinking and driving" is so wildly inaccurate for any situation because the key term should be drunk driving or driving while intoxicated. Even if Dunn's BAC was only .01 when he drove people are still going to label him as drinking and driving which frankly isn't true.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I'm just curious...you KNOW Clarence Clemons loved to smoke the reefer, as he described in his autobiography. No, he didn't die in relation to his habits, but what if he did? Would you have started a tribute thread?

The only difference between Dunn's alleged illegal act of drinking and driving and Clemons' illegal act of smoking pot, is that Dunn's death was directly related. You're clearly anti-dunk driving which is great, but you can't pick and choose between the justification of illegal acts. It's almost as if you base your opinions on the way someone dies.

Also, just a reminder that at this point Dunn's death is not yet confirmed to be alcohol related. I will concede that chances are, he was under the influence, but you can't judge so quickly without evidence.

Well the massive difference there is that one action leads to placing innocent people in harms way, while the other is limited to the person making the choice (unless we're going to get into second hand smoke). If people want to get wasted and cruise around a closed track I have no problem with it, enjoy yourself. When you do it on a street that is shared with the rest of the citizens of the area I have a little bit of an issue with you piloting thousands of pounds of metal around while wasted.

[YYC in LAX]

Okay fine, I give up in this thread. As a fan of Ryan Dunn I was just trying to show him sympathy as he lost his life, that's all.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I'm just curious...you KNOW Clarence Clemons loved to smoke the reefer, as he described in his autobiography. No, he didn't die in relation to his habits, but what if he did? Would you have started a tribute thread?

The only difference between Dunn's alleged illegal act of drinking and driving and Clemons' illegal act of smoking pot, is that Dunn's death was directly related. You're clearly anti-dunk driving which is great, but you can't pick and choose between the justification of illegal acts. It's almost as if you base your opinions on the way someone dies.

If Clemons ever drove 180 while high, I'd agree with you 100%. Impaired driving is one of the most selfish things a person can do, whether it's from alcohol or weed.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Okay fine, I give up in this thread. As a fan of Ryan Dunn I was just trying to show him sympathy as he lost his life, that's all.

I don't see what makes it so difficult to do both. This isn't directed at you, rather other people in the thread, but it's always puzzled me why people seem to be incapable of having sympathy for the loss of someone's life even if the circumstances were foolish. I mean we aren't animals, there's an ability to have compassion while still condemning the action.

[Sliver]

180 in most Porsches isn't even that fast in some circumstances. It's not like he was breaking the sound barrier here.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't see what makes it so difficult to do both. This isn't directed at you, rather other people in the thread, but it's always puzzled me why people seem to be incapable of having sympathy for the loss of someone's life even if the circumstances were foolish. I mean we aren't animals, there's an ability to have compassion while still condemning the action.

No! Everything must be black and white, you idiot!

[Starfishy]

Originally Posted by Sliver

180 in most Porsches isn't even that fast in some circumstances. It's not like he was breaking the sound barrier here.

For real? I don't think speed limits are set based on what the theoretical top speed of a sports car are. I don't think the top speed of his vehicle should have any bearing on how we treat him for going well over the posted limit.