Awesome quote by Republican on New York Gay Marriage bill

[Shades]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Born and raised Christian, still practicing and attending church.

Openly gay since i was a teenager. No issues there either.

Your point?

The Bible isn't a smörgåsbord in which you can choose the parts you find palatable and discard the rest.

Practicing Christian?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Shades

The Bible isn't a smörgåsbord in which you can choose the parts you find palatable and discard the rest.

Practicing Christian?

Sure it is, in fact that's exactly how it was assembled. Scholars have proven that all the letters of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, weren't all written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John.

When new "interpretations" of the Bible are written, they're written with a clear skewed viewpoint.

Let's not forget to mention women are property, and it's perfectly fine to have slaves. Actually no, women are human beings deserving of equal rights, and no human being should be held as a slave to another. And I don't care what any book you find says, slavery = wrong, period.

Additionally, the Bible doesn't actually state that homosexuality is a sin. Any reference to homosexuality being a sin is a loose interpretation either read with bias or singling out part of a sentence or paragraph. By not reading the entire text you're missing the point of what's being written about.

Therefore being a gay man practising Christianity is no different than being a red head practising Christianity.

Let's not forget that telling you're wife that she doesn't look fat in those pants, when in fact she does, is a clear violation of the 10 commandments and a greater sin than any non-commandment. Or when you stub your toe and scream the Lord's name is also a violation of the 10 commandments, or looking at your neighbour's new car and thinking you'd like that too. All are worse sins than homosexuality, and that's accepting the premise that homosexuality is a sin (which I do not)

[Shades]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Sure it is, in fact that's exactly how it was assembled. Scholars have proven that all the letters of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, weren't all written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John.

When new "interpretations" of the Bible are written, they're written with a clear skewed viewpoint.

Let's not forget to mention women are property, and it's perfectly fine to have slaves. Actually no, women are human beings deserving of equal rights, and no human being should be held as a slave to another. And I don't care what any book you find says, slavery = wrong, period.

Additionally, the Bible doesn't actually state that homosexuality is a sin. Any reference to homosexuality being a sin is a loose interpretation either read with bias or singling out part of a sentence or paragraph.

Therefore being a gay man practising Christianity is no different than being a red head practising Christianity.

I'm backing out of this thread. The ignorance from the quoted post alone is simply astounding.

Keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe so you feel better about your choices.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Shades

The Bible isn't a smörgåsbord in which you can choose the parts you find palatable and discard the rest.:

[WesternCanadaKing]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'm backing out of this thread. The ignorance from the quoted post alone is simply astounding.

Keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe so you feel better about your choices.

Everything he said was fairly accurate as far I know.

Ignorance aside, it's the irony in your second sentence that I find simply astounding.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'm backing out of this thread. The ignorance from the quoted post alone is simply astounding.

Keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe so you feel better about your choices.

I don't believe it's ignorance to ask questions. Lots of my viewpoints of the world have changed by questioning my beliefs and the beliefs of others. That's exactly how we learn and grow.

I edited my above post to add more flaws with reading the Bible strictly.

I believe the Bible is a great book, that has so many great teachings in it. If you read and interpret it believing that it is a tool to help humanity, people grow spiritually, and to have an open and inclusive heart to embrace the love of God and others then there no book that can do more good than the Bible.

If you read it from an interpretation of hate, exclusion, and that all people are not born equal, then it's one of the most dangerous books on the planet.

At the end of the day the Bible is a book written by human beings, assembled by human beings, and taught to human beings. It's about Christianity, and God, but being hundreds to thousands of years old don't be fooled into thinking the words have never changed.

Ignorance is not listening to your fellow man, or engaging in civil discussion when there is a disagreement or varying point of view.

I'm more than open to listen (much more than other posters here) but if I am incorrect, please correct me. I won't be mad, I'll be educated, and thankful for it.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Shades

The Bible isn't a smörgåsbord in which you can choose the parts you find palatable and discard the rest.

Practicing Christian?

I'm almost willing to bet you're Evangelical. Not to paint them all with the same brush, but they are the only ones I've met with your holier than thou attitude.

[afc wimbledon]

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[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Shades

The Bible isn't a smörgåsbord in which you can choose the parts you find palatable and discard the rest.

Practicing Christian?

Well actually the whole point of Jesus was that god was instructing us to discard the old testament.

Otherwise we'd have to convert to judism.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I often see the bolded portion said by gay-marriage opponents, but they never expand on why they think allowing homosexuals to marry will negatively affect heterosexual couples. Can anyone provide a logical explanation for that to me so I can understand both sides of this issue, because try as I might, I just can't fathom any reason to deny gay marriage other than pure bigotry and intolerance.

Good point. However, any attempts to look for logic in many religious arguments is probably a fools errand. Even without going into what one believes of them or whether one agrees with them, they are more based on feeling, emotion and tradition, rather than logic.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Even without going into what one believes of them or whether one agrees with them, they are more based on feeling, emotion and tradition, rather than logic.

What's that saying - you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

The other purpose of the New Testament was to introduce Hell, a concept that was not in the Old Testament. Before Jesus - meek and mild - you were at the mercy of an omnipotent dictator that demanded your worship and convicted you of though crimes...but at least you when you died there was no threat of eternal torture.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Diabloito Rojo

I apologize for assuming you were Canadian. It was probably due to your location although your being American certainly explains a lot.

Did you never have a religious leader growing up tell you "love the sinner, hate the sin"? Probably not since if you'd had a more religious background you'd probably be less hateful.

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[Bunk]

It's kind of funny that gay people in Govan, Saskatchewan could get married a full 6 years before those in the world capital of New York City.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Bunk

It's kind of funny that gay people in Govan, Saskatchewan could get married a full 6 years before those in the world capital of New York City.

Or Bible Hill, Nova Scotia.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'm backing out of this thread. The ignorance from the quoted post alone is simply astounding.

Keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe so you feel better about your choices.

Yeah your right, your religious belief is better than everyone else's. No way those 100's of gods before yours were the true god, no matter that your god is a buffet of older gods and traditions, no matter we know the testaments are written by flawed men with many contradictions and a emperor that forced a council to pick/choose what to make the doctrine of your church.

No matter the modern version of Christianity is completely and utterly against the teachings of Jesus, starting with Catholicism and continuing with modern christianity which is so far from the teachings of their prophet it couldn't be more wrong in its modern versions.

I am sad for you who'm think these old books are anything other than words put on page by superstitious old cooks who did the best they could at the time to explain the world and existence around them.

But no, your one god, your one religion, is the correct one above the 100's of religions that predate your belief and exist outside your religion today.

Yes, we're the ones who are ignorant, the ones who don't get it.

[gonzo29]

Originally Posted by Thor

Yeah your right, your religious belief is better than everyone else's. No way those 100's of gods before yours were the true god, no matter that your god is a buffet of older gods and traditions, no matter we know the testaments are written by flawed men with many contradictions and a emperor that forced a council to pick/choose what to make the doctrine of your church.

No matter the modern version of Christianity is completely and utterly against the teachings of Jesus, starting with Catholicism and continuing with modern christianity which is so far from the teachings of their prophet it couldn't be more wrong in its modern versions.

I am sad for you who'm think these old books are anything other than words put on page by superstitious old cooks who did the best they could at the time to explain the world and existence around them.

But no, your one god, your one religion, is the correct one above the 100's of religions that predate your belief and exist outside your religion today.

Yes, we're the ones who are ignorant, the ones who don't get it.

Amen, brother.

[peter12]

I tend to be more swayed by the arguments against gay marriage that come from within the queer radical community. I've recommended this book, "The Trouble with Normal" before. But that mainly stems from my ingrained desire to take the opposite stance on any issue that the majority agrees upon.

I am a separation of marriage and state kind of guy. The state should have no say as to where, who, how you get married. It should be left to society to figure it out. I am at the point where I cannot honestly imagine something more backwards (in our context, remember) than preventing homosexuals from marrying one another, and presenting their love before the community (after all, that is the real point of marriage, isn't it?).

I also cannot imagine anything more oppressive than government officials, or the courts demanding certain churches marry certain people, or forcing people to align their beliefs with that of the state.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Sure it is, in fact that's exactly how it was assembled. Scholars have proven that all the letters of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, weren't all written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John.

When new "interpretations" of the Bible are written, they're written with a clear skewed viewpoint.

Let's not forget to mention women are property, and it's perfectly fine to have slaves. Actually no, women are human beings deserving of equal rights, and no human being should be held as a slave to another. And I don't care what any book you find says, slavery = wrong, period.

Additionally, the Bible doesn't actually state that homosexuality is a sin. Any reference to homosexuality being a sin is a loose interpretation either read with bias or singling out part of a sentence or paragraph. By not reading the entire text you're missing the point of what's being written about.

Therefore being a gay man practising Christianity is no different than being a red head practising Christianity.

Let's not forget that telling you're wife that she doesn't look fat in those pants, when in fact she does, is a clear violation of the 10 commandments and a greater sin than any non-commandment. Or when you stub your toe and scream the Lord's name is also a violation of the 10 commandments, or looking at your neighbour's new car and thinking you'd like that too. All are worse sins than homosexuality, and that's accepting the premise that homosexuality is a sin (which I do not)

I covet my neighbor's ass.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by peter12

I also cannot imagine anything more oppressive than government officials, or the courts demanding certain churches marry certain people, or forcing people to align their beliefs with that of the state.

I'm not sure about New York and other US states which have legalized gay marriage, but in Canada, the law was written in such a way that it specifically exempted churches or other religious organizations from being forced to perform weddings for homosexuals.

[Gozer]

It's the same in New York and other states, courts are free to marry whomever they wish.
Furthermore, if a judge overruled that aspect of the law then the entire law would be void.