High River man charged with vicious sexual assault on 6 week old baby in Calgary

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AvsJerk

Wow, I just read the wikipedia on Olsen....how is this guy still alive? How did he ever even make it through the trial process without getting shanked or something? Must be an isolation is all I can figure.

He's been in segregation for his whole sentence for two reasons. First of all because of the danger to him in general population, and second because it was part of the deal that he cut with the RCMP that lead to his conviction.

In terms of prison rape and murder, it does happen, but our prisons are not over crowded and under guarded like the really nasty prisons in the States.

If you asked any of the prisoners in the U.S. maximum security federal prisons if they would like to serve their sentences in a Canadian Maximum Security prison they would ask when they could start their vacations.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by AvsJerk

To add on to my previous post: I have a feeling that many times, prison murders get classified creatively...a stabbing to the heart or major arteries might get classified as a "heart attack", or lethal beatings might get classified as "strokes" or "aneurysms".

I really, really doubt that. It would be pretty unethical to cover up a murder just because it happens in a prison. I think the reason we don't hear about murders in prisons here is because they don't happen often. That's something movies have implanted in us.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yasa

I really, really doubt that. It would be pretty unethical to cover up a murder just because it happens in a prison. I think the reason we don't hear about murders in prisons here is because they don't happen often. That's something movies have implanted in us.

They do happen in the U.S. prisons because of the gang wars that happen in there, thats why most of the U.S. prisons have gone to segregation programs for violent offenders.

Its pretty rare up here, the beatings happen, but not the murders, and I'm sure some of the rapes are of the consensual variety.

Especially since Canadian Prisons are non smoking now.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They do happen in the U.S. prisons because of the gang wars that happen in there, thats why most of the U.S. prisons have gone to segregation programs for violent offenders.

Its pretty rare up here, the beatings happen, but not the murders, and I'm sure some of the rapes are of the consensual variety.

Especially since Canadian Prisons are non smoking now.

I imagine it can be pretty common in the US, but that's what happens when you have (like you said) gangs, and almost 10 billion%* of the population locked up.

Canadian prisons are pretty different though. I have a few family members that work at Bowden and one that works at Drumheller so I can ask and see what the assault rates are.

*Actually almost 1%

[Sr. Mints]

I hope this poor kid turns out okay, and never learns of this.

And I hope this sicko does not turn out okay, and I never hear of him again.

[schteve_d]

Dahmer was attacked twice in prison, the first time in July 1994. After attending a church service in the prison chapel, an inmate attempted to slash Dahmer's throat with a razor blade. Dahmer escaped the incident with superficial wounds. While doing janitorial work in the prison gym, Dahmer and another inmate, Jesse Anderson, were severely beaten by fellow inmate Christopher Scarver with a broomstick handle on November 28, 1994. Dahmer died of severe head trauma while on his way to the hospital in an ambulance. Anderson died two days later from his wounds.

Dahmer got it and one can only hope that this freak is headed for the same.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yasa

I imagine it can be pretty common in the US, but that's what happens when you have (like you said) gangs, and almost 10% of the population locked up.

Canadian prisons are pretty different though. I have a few family members that work at Bowden and one that works at Drumheller so I can ask and see what the assault rates are.

It would be interesting to know.

From my understanding neither Bowden or Drum are considered true maximum security prisons though

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It would be interesting to know.

From my understanding neither Bowden or Drum are considered true maximum security prisons though

Both are mediums. I think Edmonton has the only Supermax in Alberta.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Dahmer got it and one can only hope that this freak is headed for the same.

I saw a documentary on Dahmer once. As bizarre as it sounded, and as much as the guy deserved to rot in hell, it almost made you empathize with the guy on a certain level. When they interviewed him, he admitted he knew what he was doing was wrong and evil, but he simply couldn't resist the urge or stop.

Like Captain alluded to earlier in the thread, some sickos are just wired a certain way and can't be rehabbed, and I truly believe those guys need to be dealt with Old Yeller style.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Yasa

I imagine it can be pretty common in the US, but that's what happens when you have (like you said) gangs, and almost 10% of the population locked up.

Canadian prisons are pretty different though. I have a few family members that work at Bowden and one that works at Drumheller so I can ask and see what the assault rates are.

Where did you get this stat from? That seems really high.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Where did you get this stat from? That seems really high.

You're right! I meant almost 1%. I'll fix it now. There are roughly 2.3 million incarcerated people in the US, 3.1% in prison or on parole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce..._United_States

Yeesh, I couldn't imagine 30 million in prison.

[AvsJerk]

Originally Posted by Yasa

I really, really doubt that. It would be pretty unethical to cover up a murder just because it happens in a prison. I think the reason we don't hear about murders in prisons here is because they don't happen often. That's something movies have implanted in us.

It happens, believe you me. And it's not all attributed to gang violence. A kid we paroled last week (great kid, super smart, big heart) was abused in similar fashion to the baby in the original post by bio-dad and psychologically abused by step-dad...both shiat-bags. Step-dad ended up in the same prison as bio-dad and murdered bio-dad in prison last year. Probably the only "good thing" that step-dad ever did in his whole life.

This was not reported on the nightly news or in any news paper as a murder...not even as "cardiac arrest". Heck, it wasn't reported at all, because nobody cared when this guy was died...it didn't hit the media at all.

Only reason we ever found out about it was because the kids client manager told us...I don't think anybody else in the state of Colorado gives a shiat. It was never a high profile case.

The newspaper report would have read "Dirt-bag that abused his son 15 years ago died in prison of cardiac arrest." Hardly a news story anymore.
It at least brought some closure to the now 19 year old kid, and that's all that really matters.

[AvsJerk]

Originally Posted by pylon

I saw a documentary on Dahmer once. As bizarre as it sounded, and as much as the guy deserved to rot in hell, it almost made you empathize with the guy on a certain level. When they interviewed him, he admitted he knew what he was doing was wrong and evil, but he simply couldn't resist the urge or stop.

Like Captain alluded to earlier in the thread, some sickos are just wired a certain way and can't be rehabbed, and I truly believe those guys need to be dealt with Old Yeller style.

Sex offenders are the creepiest of the bunch. SO serial killers I imagine would be particularly creepy.

The facility that I work at doesn't offer treatment for sex offenders (thank god)...but we often hold offenders while they await trial/conviction and placement at other facilities (not SO-s until they are convicted, but you know 'em when you see 'em)...and as we transition them back to their local communities (maybe a month or so before release).

Always a stressful time when we have SO-s....kids that have been perped on can almost always sniff them out right away. So-s are usually pretty sophisticated in their grooming behaviors too, so you really have to keep your guard up.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by AvsJerk

Sex offenders are the creepiest of the bunch. SO serial killers I imagine would be particularly creepy.

The facility that I work at doesn't offer treatment for sex offenders (thank god)...but we often hold offenders while they await trial/conviction and placement at other facilities (not SO-s until they are convicted, but you know 'em when you see 'em)...and as we transition them back to their local communities (maybe a month or so before release).

Always a stressful time when we have SO-s....kids that have been perped on can almost always sniff them out right away. So-s are usually pretty sophisticated in their grooming behaviors too, so you really have to keep your guard up.

Answer me this. What is with the pedophile / serial killer glasses. Why do they all buy those same frames?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I can't think of a punishment that would fit this crime.

Look up "penectomy" on Tribe. Just need to find him a "cutter".

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by pylon

Like Captain alluded to earlier in the thread, some sickos are just wired a certain way and can't be rehabbed, and I truly believe those guys need to be dealt with Old Yeller style.

Exactly. What possible solutions are there for someone who knows they're doing one of the ultimate wrongs, can't help it (even with all of the best methods of rehab)? I'm not for capital punishment, and "throw away the key" is the way I see it should go. Maybe it's because I have no problem living a normal life that I have trouble buying that, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Yeesh, I couldn't imagine 30 million in prison.

They'd have to employ Judge Dredd and turn New York into a big damn prison.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Thor

This just made me nearly physically ill, hope he gets raped by 100 horses back to back while listening to enya's sail away on loop back.

I love that song!

Not enough to make love to 100 horses, though...

And as I just mentioned in another thread. People are messed up...

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by AvsJerk

It happens, believe you me. And it's not all attributed to gang violence. A kid we paroled last week (great kid, super smart, big heart) was abused in similar fashion to the baby in the original post by bio-dad and psychologically abused by step-dad...both shiat-bags. Step-dad ended up in the same prison as bio-dad and murdered bio-dad in prison last year. Probably the only "good thing" that step-dad ever did in his whole life.

This was not reported on the nightly news or in any news paper as a murder...not even as "cardiac arrest". Heck, it wasn't reported at all, because nobody cared when this guy was died...it didn't hit the media at all.

Only reason we ever found out about it was because the kids client manager told us...I don't think anybody else in the state of Colorado gives a shiat. It was never a high profile case.

The newspaper report would have read "Dirt-bag that abused his son 15 years ago died in prison of cardiac arrest." Hardly a news story anymore.
It at least brought some closure to the now 19 year old kid, and that's all that really matters.

Just because it's not reported in the news doesn't mean they're covering up murders. It probably wouldn't be reported in the news anyway unless it was a high-profile murder because prison violence doesn't have an immediate effect on the public. Again though, there is a difference between US and Canadian prisons, but despite that, I find it very hard to believe they would classify a murder as anything but. There's no reason to.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Just because it's not reported in the news doesn't mean they're covering up murders. It probably wouldn't be reported in the news anyway unless it was a high-profile murder because prison violence doesn't have an immediate effect on the public. Again though, there is a difference between US and Canadian prisons, but despite that, I find it very hard to believe they would classify a murder as anything but. There's no reason to.

In Canada (at least here in BC) every death in a prison is investigated by a coroner/ME who is independent from the police and prison system, for exactly that reason.

Just because it's not reported in the media doesn't mean it's "covered up."