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Old 05-20-2011, 12:48 AM   #61
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My god...the end of the world will begin as a direct result of the Canada Post strike. We must warn them to get back to work! Also I ordered a shirt and some old VHS pornography from the 90's, so the quicker the better.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:01 AM   #62
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Play on words? Do you not mean "rocket science"?
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Play on words? Do you not mean "rocket science"?
No, he means brain perjury.
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A strike, it's not close to Xmas!
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:46 AM   #65
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Play on words? Do you not mean "rocket science"?
Didn't you know it's now cool to call it "rocket surgery"?
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FU Unions!

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Old 05-20-2011, 12:22 PM   #67
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#1) I read somewhere that package delivery, such as Purolator, now constitutes about half of Canada Post's revenue now as letter mail has been replaced by electronic mail. And I don't see package delivery disappearing anytime soon, unless you just patented a Star Trek-esque transporter.

#2) My brother was never unionized and has been laid off twice. My mother was never unionized and was laid off 3 times. My father was unionized and was never laid off. I am unionized and have never been laid off. I have been offered more money to work elsewhere, but I stay where I am because we are unionized and the union has done well at protecting our job security.

#3) I have learned that the non-unionized private sector doesn't work perfectly. As in the case of my brother and my mother, two of the hardest working people on the planet, sometimes it is the best people that get screwed over by short-sighted managers. I could work my ass off for a company and still get the short end of the stick. The only time I would ever consider leaving my current job would be to start my own business.... given what I've seen and experienced I would never go back to a non-unionized shop and be at the mercy of a Dilbert-pointy-haired-boss's every whim.
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#1) I read somewhere that package delivery, such as Purolator, now constitutes about half of Canada Post's revenue now as letter mail has been replaced by electronic mail. And I don't see package delivery disappearing anytime soon, unless you just patented a Star Trek-esque transporter.

#2) My brother was never unionized and has been laid off twice. My mother was never unionized and was laid off 3 times. My father was unionized and was never laid off. I am unionized and have never been laid off. I have been offered more money to work elsewhere, but I stay where I am because we are unionized and the union has done well at protecting our job security.

#3) I have learned that the non-unionized private sector doesn't work perfectly. As in the case of my brother and my mother, two of the hardest working people on the planet, sometimes it is the best people that get screwed over by short-sighted managers. I could work my ass off for a company and still get the short end of the stick. The only time I would ever consider leaving my current job would be to start my own business.... given what I've seen and experienced I would never go back to a non-unionized shop and be at the mercy of a Dilbert-pointy-haired-boss's every whim.
I don't know if I agree with you. The first companies to near topple in the current economic environment were unionized shops, because management was bad, and Unions killed the goose that laid the golden age out of greed and stupidity.
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To whom are you referring? The US banks and financial institutions?

If you are referring to the US auto manufacturers, I think they had deeper issues to deal with than having unionized workers. Like bad product lines.
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To whom are you referring? The US banks and financial institutions?

If you are referring to the US auto manufacturers, I think they had deeper issues to deal with than having unionized workers. Like bad product lines.
Combine that with un affordable wages, benefits and pension packages, which made them uncompetitive on a global scale.

And yes bad product lines and poor management. But Unions have been the bullet in the auto industry for years.

Look at whats happening with the teachers unions and the Steel industry where Unions are not helping.
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Union should go the way dinosaurs went. If not, this country will.

Something drastic has to be done and I'm glad PC is in power now. And I have faith Harper will do the right thing to break up this evil union. Imagine what postal workers will get if NDP is in charge. Scary thoughts.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:40 PM   #72
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Play on words? Do you not mean "rocket science"?
Rocket appliances are the same as regular appliances, but they have to work in space, which makes them more complicated than regular appliances, and therefore require smarter people to operate.

Space blenders are a bitch. How do you blend something when there's no gravity pulling the ice and banana down on to the blender blades?
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To whom are you referring? The US banks and financial institutions?

If you are referring to the US auto manufacturers, I think they had deeper issues to deal with than having unionized workers. Like bad product lines.

When the collapse occurred....auto workers averaged over 70 dollars an hour between wages, benefits and pension payements IIRC.

yeah it was the product that was the problem.

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This talk of how easy the job is makes me laugh.

It is easy to sit back and pretend you know exactly what is involved and imagine how simple and easy it is to do it.

Simply put, most people who try can't do the job....at least not how it is done in the USPS.

I don't know how Canada Post sets up their routes and what kind of standards of performance they have so I can't speak to their delivery specifically but I can speak from personal experience both as a letter carrier and a postal supervisor. It ain't just putting letters in a mailbox folks.
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This talk of how easy the job is makes me laugh.

It is easy to sit back and pretend you know exactly what is involved and imagine how simple and easy it is to do it.

Simply put, most people who try can't do the job....at least not how it is done in the USPS.

I don't know how Canada Post sets up their routes and what kind of standards of performance they have so I can't speak to their delivery specifically but I can speak from personal experience both as a letter carrier and a postal supervisor. It ain't just putting letters in a mailbox folks.
Jeez, funny, but since I'm on a long term vacation, I was talking to my postal carrier today, and for him it is putting letters in a mailbox.

He mostly drives from block to block as well.

I asked him why he does it, and he bascially told me because he didn't need to do any thinking on the job. since the letters are all pre sorted.
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Must real hard driving a big truck, stopping, getting out, putting all the mail in the boxes. Real difficult job.

What if you have packages that are coming, if they go on strike, does it go on holding somewhere?
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Jeez, funny, but since I'm on a long term vacation, I was talking to my postal carrier today, and for him it is putting letters in a mailbox.

He mostly drives from block to block as well.

I asked him why he does it, and he bascially told me because he didn't need to do any thinking on the job. since the letters are all pre sorted.
Yeah, it was for me too. Walking 7 miles a day was nothing for me. Memorizing the names and addresses of the 700+ possible deliveries on my route was nothing for me. Sorting 1000 pieces of mail into delivery order in 45 minutes was easy for me.

For most people, it's too much to handle.

Like I said, not sure how Canada Posts' operation is set up so I can't speak to them specifically.
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Unions still have their uses. I would never want to work at a company that has a union though.
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Yeah, it was for me too. Walking 7 miles a day was nothing for me. Memorizing the names and addresses of the 700+ possible deliveries on my route was nothing for me. Sorting 1000 pieces of mail into delivery order in 45 minutes was easy for me.

For most people, it's too much to handle.

Like I said, not sure how Canada Posts' operation is set up so I can't speak to them specifically.
It's not any more complicated than remembering the hundreds of little tricks in a video game after you play it a bunch of times. Children do that.

Mail delivery is certainly a combination of art and science, but it's not exactly higher learning. Nobody went to tech school or university to learn how to remember names, addresses, and how to chuck envelopes. And I say that with all due respect; I worked at the post office one xmas season. It's not simple, but it's not complicated enough that people that work there should feel like they're entitled to a job even if the company is slowly going out of business.
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