Ya weed is our biggest issue. It doesn't destroy anything because that is not what the alcohol stats are about. I was wrong it's closer to 100k, not 150k but it's still deadly and consumed by all legally.
I'm not saying people should drive while high, I'm actually against the idea and think there should be the same penalties as alcohol.
You realize you quoted a stat which said there were *zero* marijuana fatalities.
Compare consumption rates of each - also, nice cherry pick on the article, as 7% was linked to consumption of both at the same time.
Do you believe it is reasonable to assume that an equal number of people consume weed on a regular basis vs. alcohol? Do you believe consumption rates will increase once it is legalized? Do you believe simultaneous consumption rates will increase as well?
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I'd think it would be controlled by the government and licensed just like tobacco and alcohol are (and taxed at the source). Sure some would slip through but nothing like what is happening today.
I'm not a user of cannibus (although in the 60s I smoked more than my share where the business was more a thing of sharing amongst friends) but I would like the tax source and the government controls and would really like to get big organized crime out of the business.
If you can sell your product in another country for greater profit and no taxes, why would you sell it here? That would be the mindset of organised crime. Point being, you won't eliminate organised crime from being in the business.
I don't see the need to tax a product that is harmful to ones health. Govts are already hypocrites for taxing cigarettes and at the same time telling people they should quit by putting graphic images on cigarette packs.
Compare consumption rates of each - also, nice cherry pick on the article, as 7% was linked to consumption of both at the same time.
That isn't the point. The point is marijuana used by itself will not cause the same damages, if any, that alcohol or cigarettes do and have been prove to cause.
Do you make prescription drugs illegal because with the consumption of alcohol they cause more deaths? It seems to me when you mix drugs bad things happen, who would have thought?!?
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Do you believe consumption rates will increase once it is legalized?
No. I actually believe it would drop as it did in other countries that semi-legalized it.
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Do you believe simultaneous consumption rates will increase as well?
People have to make their own choices and know the risks. Just like anything when you mix drugs bad things will happen, common sense.
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I don't see the need to tax a product that is harmful to ones health.
Comparing cigarettes and marijuana health concerns is night and day. Cigarettes have been proven to cause serious health problems.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
I think there is strong substance to the link. Does this mean I think people shouldn't smoke it? No. I think people should use it moderately like anything else. If you use it all the time, there's a small chance you'll have a serious mental illness. Although I'd say, if pot causes a serious mental illness there's a good chance you would have gotten one anyway.
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Since marijuana is illegal, it is hard to do the controlled studies that have been done with tobacco.
lol They have been studying marijuana for 40 years. Just because it is illegal doesn't mean the government and other agencies don't do studies on it.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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If Canada was an Island, I believed that decriminalization (for users, not growers) and maybe legalization of cannabis and minor drugs would be a possibility. Canada's legal system has better things to go after than Marijuana possession. It's not a gateway drug and it's long term health effects, while not harmless, is significantly better than Tobacco and alcohol.
However, we border the world's most powerful country who don't share the same view about marijuana. In this world, if Canada was to decriminalize or legalize pot, the US would be negatively impacted as illegal supply chains will grow exponentially into the US to meet the demand. There is no way the US would allow that to happen, and we would see a dramatic tighten of the border. Until the US changes their policy, I can't see Canada changing the marijuana laws
I will preface this by saying that I don't really care about the legalization of pot. I think the tax revenues could be nice, and I think organized growing and efficient business models would largely eliminate illegal markets. It is hard to imagine a black market cigarette or liquor business now, it just doesn't make economic sense.
The argument I am hearing here that I find most humorous is the people saying that we won't see tax revenue because individuals will just grow it themselves. Yeah, much like all tomato consumers across Canada also grow their own tomatoes. It is just as viable to grow these in a hydroponics setup. Time, effort, space, product quality and most of all economics will all greatly limit the amount of personal grow ops.
My concern is that regardless of the research I am shown, I still have a hard time believing that the tax generation will not be overshadowed by health care costs. This statement is not meant as an invitation for everyone to post the studies for and against the harmful affects of pot. My common sense tells me that more widespread consumption of pot will cause an uptick in health care.
Cannabis has been used recreationally and medically for centuries. Despite long experience, relatively little is known about the risks and benefits of its use as a medication. A considerable portion of our ignorance can be attributed to government discouragement of cannabis research. Searching the NIH website brings up many studies of both cannabis abuse and cannabis as a therapeutic agent, but most of the general information available is about cannabis as a drug of abuse.
As with any pharmacologically active substance, there are no “side effects”, only effects which we desire and those we do not. Given that cannabis is clearly a powerful pharmacologic agent, that there is a great deal of anecdotal evidence supporting its use, and that there is scientific plausibility to these claims, its potential use as a therapeutic drug should be investigated seriously.
Marijuana offers many promising avenues of investigation, although there will be little advancement without a change in US government policy. But for a physician, the reason for the lack of data is not nearly as important as the lack of data itself. As physicians, we cannot ethically prescribe or recommend a powerful pharmaceutical whose effects are not at least reasonably well-known. In fact, it’s hard to envision any situation in which prescribing marijuana would be ethical. If there were a condition with a lot of anecdotal data and no other effective treatment, and the risks of the condition were such that they outweighed the health risks and dependence potential of marijuana, we would maybe—maybe—have something to work with. But for now, people who want to take cannabis should not count on a doctor to approve it for them.
Save a lot of money? I actually stopped for a year when I was 22-23 because of a girl (what was I thinking?) and didn't miss a beat. I bet it would be easier for me to quit smoking pot today than it would be for someone who has drank a couple cups of coffee for 10 years. Marijuana is habitual, not addictive. I don't go running home after work looking for a fix, I don't wake up crazving it and I have gone weeks at a time without being on vacation without even a thought.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Save a lot of money? I actually stopped for a year when I was 22-23 because of a girl (what was I thinking?) and didn't miss a beat. I bet it would be easier for me to quit smoking pot today than it would be for someone who has drank a couple cups of coffee for 10 years. Marijuana is habitual, not addictive. I don't go running home after work looking for a fix, I don't wake up crazving it and I have gone weeks at a time without being on vacation without even a thought.
Bull####.
Nobody gets high 5-10 times a day simply because they want to.
Good thing you don't have a job that drug tests. I hope you're not doing anything professionally that impacts the health and safety of other folks. You are no doubt impaired most of the time.
There's my antecdotal reply.
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Comparing cigarettes and marijuana health concerns is night and day. Cigarettes have been proven to cause serious health problems.
Smoking ANYTHING has been proven to cause serious health problems. Simple chemistry and physics proves it.
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My common sense tells me that more widespread consumption of pot will cause an uptick in health care.
Except that there's no reason to believe that legalizing pot will cause a dramatic increase in the consumption of it. I don't avoid pot because it's illegal. I avoid it because I don't find getting high all that enjoyable. We're basically paying the same health care costs now without the revenue to potentially offset it.
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