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Phanuthier · 03-03-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Sorry Vulcan, I like you as a poster, but this is a stupid statement. You draft for the NHL - not the farm.

I could probably create you a roster in Abbotsford that would challenge for the Calder Cup each year (just look at the Moose's roster or Chicago Wolves right now) really easily, but if you do that, you're just shooting yourself in the foot when trying to develop quality guys.

You can buy AHL fillers quite easily.

Weighing on this topic, I agree here. You draft for your NHL team. If your AHL depth is thin, you can always sign UFAs, both out of junior and journeyman. You can trade for them. You can pick them up with late round picks. But things like trading down (Zajac for Chucko + Pardy/Prust/Boyd) really hurt the organization.

I still hold out hope for Backlund, Pelech could just be hitting a rut, and Phaneuf was drafted a talented player but his ego took over. The drafting isn't fantastic, but I don't think its a nightmare either. But then again, I still hold out hope Backlund will be a 1st line center too.

Vulcan · 03-03-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Weighing on this topic, I agree here. You draft for your NHL team. If your AHL depth is thin, you can always sign UFAs, both out of junior and journeyman. You can trade for them. You can pick them up with late round picks. But things like trading down (Zajac for Chucko + Pardy/Prust/Boyd) really hurt the organization.

I still hold out hope for Backlund, Pelech could just be hitting a rut, and Phaneuf was drafted a talented player but his ego took over. The drafting isn't fantastic, but I don't think its a nightmare either. But then again, I still hold out hope Backlund will be a 1st line center too.

I probably shouldn't have said to stock the farm, but the facts are we didn't have much in our system so Sutter seemed to make the safe picks and trade down for quantity over quality. He did this because the main team needed a boost and so he traded draft picks that needed to be replaced.
Most weren't complete busts, they were good enough to be signed to pro contracts but not many were wins either. A good farm system with plenty of youngsters puts pressure on the big team to produce. Signing a bunch of AHL vets doesn't do this and I think now we are starting to have more than one player that will put this pressure on the Calgary team. Now that we've got a solid basis, we can gamble more.

sa226 · 03-03-2011, 08:39 PM

As far as asset management goes, it sucks to have a first round pick wasted.

But as far as young Defense prospects go, the organization is just fine. Better than fine actually.

Brodie, Erixon, Negrin(Hopefully)

Even guys like Breen and Carson.

You can add Giordano and Bouwmeester to the list as well.

Long term the Back-end is in good shape.

SebC · 03-04-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

I probably shouldn't have said to stock the farm, but the facts are we didn't have much in our system so Sutter seemed to make the safe picks and trade down for quantity over quality. He did this because the main team needed a boost and so he traded draft picks that needed to be replaced.

I consider "safe picks" to be an inaccurate description of the likes of Nystrom, Chucko, and Pelech. If they were safe, shouldn't they be panning out?

dissentowner · 03-04-2011, 04:54 PM

Pelech and Chucko are both 100% certified busts. Neither of these guys will ever play in the NHL.

TnT~55 · 03-04-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Pelech and Chucko are both 100% certified busts. Neither of these guys will ever play in the NHL.

Matt Pelech
2008-09 - 5 games 3 points

Kris Chucko
2008-09 - 2 games 0 points

Might want to rephrase that statement.

Knalus · 03-04-2011, 06:18 PM

Pelech as a bust is better than Pelech dead. Cause that blood clot in the leg was really scary. I know someone that died in her twenties from a blood clot in the leg that dislodged and traveled to the heart. Add together all his other injury problems, and you could almost say we're lucky to have him in the AHL at all. Mickey isn't there.

Daniel Tkachuk, Richie Regher, Pelech, all sidelined by injury. Too bad, really.

Vulcan · 03-04-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SebC

I consider "safe picks" to be an inaccurate description of the likes of Nystrom, Chucko, and Pelech. If they were safe, shouldn't they be panning out?

In a draft nothing is safe but there are percentages. Both Chucko and Pelech have had serious injuries and Nystrom wasn't drafted by Daryl.

Cactus Jack · 03-05-2011, 11:26 AM

For comparisons sake, Darryl drafted NHLers Dion, Backlund, Pardy, Boyd, Prust.
Button drafted Lombardi, Stoll, Foster, Moen, McElhinney, Nystrom and Kobaseew

kirant · 03-05-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SebC

I consider "safe picks" to be an inaccurate description of the likes of Nystrom, Chucko, and Pelech. If they were safe, shouldn't they be panning out?

I think "Safe" means there is less of a risk of turning nothing out. Nystrom was drafted on the belief that, while he could make it up to the top 6, he would probably make the NHL in any variety because his play is still viable in a bottom 6 position. In comparison, a high risk/high reward player like (I'm not 100% if this is an accurate representation of his gameplay, just what I remember) a Jens Karlsson might not pan out into...well...anything and be a complete waste of a pick instead of a disappointment (To be fair, I don't think Karlsson ever signed an NHL contract, so that might have been an issue).

Same goes with Chucko and Pelech. The difference with these two is that major injuries have hurt their development, something that is extremely hard to predict (if not impossible) when their injury record pre-draft isn't that big. I think had their development gone as planned without major gaps for recovery, Chucko would be a 4th line or 13th forward and Pelech would be a bottom pair D.

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-05-2011, 01:32 PM

I don't really see Chucko and Pelech as having been safe picks at any point. Instead I view Chucko as an attempt to get a powerforward who had some skill. His skating was an issue for the new NHL, something that couldn't have been predicted at that time. He also didn't develop into as dominant a physical player as they hoped. Injuries have set him back.

Pelech was risky because of his injury in his draft year (much like backlund). Injuries set his development back and his mobility isn't perfect for the new NHL either.

I think to call most of Sutter's picks "safe" is to overgeneralize inaccurately. In fact arguably Craig Button's picks of Nystrom and Kobasew were "safer" picks than Sutter's picks of Chucko or Pelech

BigBrodieFan · 03-06-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Pelech and Chucko are both 100% certified busts. Neither of these guys will ever play in the NHL.

I don't know about that.. I saw Pelech play tonight and I was pretty impressed. He looks tough and he plays hard, definitely a stand-out. I guess it will just depend on injuries in the future and progression, I hope the best for the kid.

bax · 03-06-2011, 03:35 PM

A bit off topic but who do you guys wanna see drafted with our first this year?

I was thinking Ty Rattie might be a good fit depending on where we end up.

jeremywilhelm · 03-06-2011, 04:39 PM

Joel Armia.

kirant · 03-06-2011, 05:27 PM

I'd go after Sven Bartschi if he's available.

nik- · 03-06-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremywilhelm

Joel Armia.

He won't be there when we pick.

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-06-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

He won't be there when we pick.

No one could know that.

It's not like Armia is expected to go top 5.

There aren't a lot of certainties in the draft, not a lot of consensus. Players that some people think will go top 10 will go later. Someone unexpected will go high.

Expect surprises with the draft. Trying to predict much outside of the top 5 is usually a foolish exercise.

Calgary4LIfe · 03-07-2011, 12:49 PM

Scouts have said that Armia needs another season or two to mature before entering the NHL. I think he is going to be a great player.

However, I would love to get a center as well. We don't have that much depth at any forward position in our farm really, so we have the 'luxury' of drafting the best available forward when it is our go. I love Armia, but I also think this organization should try and concentrate on centers a bit more, as it really is the toughest position to acquire.

Flame4Ever · 03-07-2011, 02:23 PM

From an OHL perspective, I'll assume that D. Hamilton, Landeskog, Strome and Murphy are all off the board in the top 10 likely and most definitely by the top 15.
A guy like Brandon Saad who is very raw and has been surpassed by a few guys since the start of the season is someone who I would have a long look at. He will need at least 2 years of seasoning but has all the tools and instincts to be a solid top 6 player and possibly quite a bit more.
Alexander Khoklachev is another guys I would target if he is still available. Solid player with great offensive tools, speed and isn't afraid to go to high traffic areas with the puck to score. He'll likely take a bit o a hit because he is a smaller guy and the russian factor.

Weiser Wonder · 03-07-2011, 02:35 PM

I think the Flames should go out of their way to get a smart and quick center. If there's a wide gap between the players available and the next center like that, trade down. I'm not a big fan of drafting wingers early unless they are very skilled, especially with discrepancy between center depth and winger depth among the prospects.