So my wife gets a ticket

[4X4]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If there were no police around, knowone could put me in jail for defending my property with potentially lethal force. Problem solved.

9 times out of 10 people need a motive to commit a crime, the entire nation is not chomping at the bit to go on a crime spree and only hold back because of the presence of police officers.

Police today mostly give out tickets and respond to domestic arguments while real crime like hard drug trafficking, organized crime and fraud continue to thrive.

There are some good hard working cops out there, but they are there to follow orders and nothing more. It doesn't help that buried in their ranks is a bunch of tits who harrass people and end up on youtube.

It is what it is. I know cities and police departments are always looking for more funding so this is what we get.

Are you really so naive that you think that without cops there'd be no crime? Well, I suppose you're partly right, because without cops, there'd be no way to enforce laws, and therefore, it would be useless to make laws.

I'd bet that 9/10 people would take a free loaf of bread from a store if there was no law telling people to pay for it. And since that is likely the case, there would really be no merchants selling anything. Seriously, Mikey. You can't honestly believe that society would function without police. Society and civilization would never develop without law and order.

Why the hell am I even bothering with this post? This is like telling a child why they can't eat cookies for dinner every night.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'd bet that 9/10 people would take a free loaf of bread from a store if there was no law telling people to pay for it.

I'm not aware of the law telling me to pay for a free loaf of bread.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Are you really so naive that you think that without cops there'd be no crime? Well, I suppose you're partly right, because without cops, there'd be no way to enforce laws, and therefore, it would be useless to make laws.

I'd bet that 9/10 people would take a free loaf of bread from a store if there was no law telling people to pay for it. And since that is likely the case, there would really be no merchants selling anything. Seriously, Mikey. You can't honestly believe that society would function without police. Society and civilization would never develop without law and order.

Why the hell am I even bothering with this post? This is like telling a child why they can't eat cookies for dinner every night.

Read my entire post. I didn't mean for you to take me literally. I'm saying the police are vastly overrated and misused. Does this calm your outrage?

[jammies]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm saying the police are vastly overrated and misused. Does this calm your outrage?

Nobody is outraged, we're embarrassed you are on the same internet as sane people.

There are two kinds of freedom: the freedom to do, and the freedom not to be unwillingly done unto. Without law - and police to enforce it- circumscribing the former, the latter simply cannot exist, and only the most primitive society is possible.

Your utopia of freemen on the land wielding six-shooters in defence of personal justice wouldn't last a year. The thugs that would be in charge shortly after society collapsed would show you what abuse of power really looks like - if you survived that long.

There is a vast difference between understanding that the police need to be the servants of the law and not its masters, and thinking that the law needs few or no servants. The latter seems to be your attitude, and it is entirely and completely wrong-headed, not to mention ignorant of history and human nature. In short, you don't know what you are talking about and you clearly have a deeply emotional bias that prevents you from seeing that this is true.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm saying the police are vastly overrated

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Probably the fact that without police, any sort of law enforcement would pretty much impossible and society would have degraded into a Mad Max type situation over the last hundred years. So unless your life goal is to become the Thunderdome Champion then the police probably have bettered your life in some way or another every day.

Ok, maybe not that extreme but the point is the same.

Being the Thunderdome Champion would be pretty damn cool. I just hope they don't make you nail Tina Turner afterwards.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

I'm not aware of the law telling me to pay for a free loaf of bread.

How about you cannot steal property.... or shoplifting laws...

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If there were no police around, knowone could put me in jail for defending my property with potentially lethal force. Problem solved.

9 times out of 10 people need a motive to commit a crime, the entire nation is not chomping at the bit to go on a crime spree and only hold back because of the presence of police officers.

Police today mostly give out tickets and respond to domestic arguments while real crime like hard drug trafficking, organized crime and fraud continue to thrive.

There are some good hard working cops out there, but they are there to follow orders and nothing more. It doesn't help that buried in their ranks is a bunch of tits who harrass people and end up on youtube.

It is what it is. I know cities and police departments are always looking for more funding so this is what we get.

This post just screams of uneducation and biased opinion.

You need to understand the social implications of formal social controls.

[algernon]

I was pulled over last year in the middle of February. The cop didn't get out of the Van, just rolled down his window and asked if I knew that I could be given a $60(?) ticket for failure to clean off the snow on my bumper. I was surprised and told him I'd clear it right away, he thanked me, and drove away. When I was clearing it off, I realized that my registration had been expired since Dec 31!. I went straight to the registry and was fine. Moral: It can go both ways.

As for Mr Mikey, I will bet money that he is a Pothead, and hates the fact that he is considered a criminal, although he's otherwise a law-abiding citizen. He is a contradiction though, as most far right-of-centre people believe in Law and Order. Did he vote for Harper's Conservatives? Does he know Harper is pushing Marijuana further in to illegal territory?
As for thinking he could "defend his land" LOL. The Freemen from Montana would immediately be all up in Lethbridge's grill with the best military technology Uncle Sam had to offer at the time. How's a hunting rifle going to defend against a Tank or rocket launcher?

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Redliner

Being the Thunderdome Champion would be pretty damn cool. I just hope they don't make you nail Tina Turner afterwards.

You must be young. She had the best legs of the last half century.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by jammies

Nobody is outraged, we're embarrassed you are on the same internet as sane people.

There are two kinds of freedom: the freedom to do, and the freedom not to be unwillingly done unto. Without law - and police to enforce it- circumscribing the former, the latter simply cannot exist, and only the most primitive society is possible.

Your utopia of freemen on the land wielding six-shooters in defence of personal justice wouldn't last a year. The thugs that would be in charge shortly after society collapsed would show you what abuse of power really looks like - if you survived that long.

There is a vast difference between understanding that the police need to be the servants of the law and not its masters, and thinking that the law needs few or no servants. The latter seems to be your attitude, and it is entirely and completely wrong-headed, not to mention ignorant of history and human nature. In short, you don't know what you are talking about and you clearly have a deeply emotional bias that prevents you from seeing that this is true.

There's this fantasy out there that you merely need a gun to defend your property, that might is right in the defense of your personal liberties.

But there are problems with that.

First and foremost there is always someone willing to take it further to get what they want and won't have a moment of indecision when it comes to snuffing someone out, and I'm betting more often then not that its the guy thats already broken into your house or your car or decided that he likes your T.V. or your wife.

Technically, I'm very good with guns, I've been trained on them, spent years, basically using it as part of my job. I'm also I think very strong, and very tough, and I'm betting that I can overwhelm or overcome a small majority of the average home owners, and if I'm desperate enough for example for a drug fix, or I'm some nut job disgusting rapist, or a thrill killer, I'm going to probably have time to plan my crime and that gives me a drop on a home owner or car owner or whatever.

Cops are trained in investigation, and in arrest and yes intimidation, they're the pro's.

I wouldn't want liberal gun laws where its ok for every home owner to have or carry a firearm, its more then likely that they're either going to kill themselves or someone they love, or kill the wrong person, because bullets travel a long way then you miss and go through stuff, so when you miss that criminal standing 10 feet in front of you, and it goes through two windows a wall and kills 12 year old Billy or Amy the neighbors kids, or takes the guy on the street picking up the paper in the head its a problem that nobody thinks of.

This isn't hollywood, just because you can pull the trigger doesn't mean that you can hit sh%t. Just because you think a gun or a knife will help you defend your house, your wrong, 9/10 times you the home owner, or someone not involved is going to end up on a cold metal slab.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

How about you cannot steal property.... or shoplifting laws...

How about you try reading comprehension 101

[OilKiller]

Ah tickets...yes, I had 3 photo radar and the wife had one. Put those along with registration for two vehicles and on December 30th we paid a grand total of $750. Good times, good times...

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

I'm not aware of the law telling me to pay for a free loaf of bread.

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

How about you cannot steal property.... or shoplifting laws...

Originally Posted by puckluck

How about you try reading comprehension 101

What Potluck said...

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by puckluck

What about the insurance hike from a speeding ticket? Guaranteed that will end up being a lot more than $230 over the next few years.

I love how you constantly toss out absolutes and guarantees in your posts.

BTW, certain insurance companies have a "one ticket free" policy so no, not all tickets result in insurance premiums increasing.