[PGT] Flames defeat Anaheim 6-3

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Hate to break it to you, but there’s nothing political about not wanting an LGBTphobe on your favorite hockey team. You’re allowed to disagree about taxes and health care while respecting others.

That's cute, make up a label for the guy. It's a political issue. A person doesn't have to show support in something he doesn't believe in. I don't mind you not liking the guy, but I don't get the "if you're not with us you're against us" attitude.

I think Kuzmenko is awesome! It was a great game and I hope he has many more in a Flames uniform. He's the perfect skilled player to have around a rebuild.

[Barnet Flame]

Prior to the trades, our PP was aneamic, and a key factor that had us on the wrong side of the bubble. Kuzmenko’s impact on the effectiveness of our PP is one of the few things keeping my interest in the latter part of this season.

For that alone, I’d look at options to extend.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Prior to the trades, our PP was aneamic, and a key factor that had us on the wrong side of the bubble. Kuzmenko’s impact on the effectiveness of our PP is one of the few things keeping my interest in the latter part of this season.

For that alone, I’d look at options to extend.

I’d still look to trade him next year. Pump and dump baby. Let the Flames recoup that Monahan blunder

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’d still look to trade him next year. Pump and dump baby. Let the Flames recoup that Monahan blunder

Yes, best option is to trade Kuzmenko.

I like the player, but his age doesn't fit in with our contention window. He will be 35 or older by the time we are competitive again.

If we can get a 1st for him that would be amazing. Even a 2nd would be great.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Stupid sexy Kuzmenko...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Hate to break it to you, but it is most definitely a political issue. There are people who genuinely disagree with letting biological men play women's sports, and there are people who are genuinely horrified by surgically mutilating children who are too young to give informed consent. But according to people like you, anyone who takes those positions is an ‘LGBTphobe’ and deserves to be hated and lose his job.

I am just glad, as the father of a 10 year old girl, that once Pierre Pollievre is in power there will be someone at every washroom asking my daughter to strip to prove she does not have a penis before she enters the public washroom. I know it seem invasive but regular people don’t know the epidemic of washroom issues that are taking place.

Don’t even get me started on the number of men I know, regular jocks, who have decided to remove their penis to try to get better results in intramural sports at university. This is another issue that concerns all Canadians and it is happening far too often.

These are real issues that are really happening and we now have leaders who are taking action on them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Hate to break it to you, but there’s nothing political about not wanting an LGBTphobe on your favorite hockey team. You’re allowed to disagree about taxes and health care while respecting others.

Is he an LGBTphobe? Or is he a guy that grew up in a different culture, with a completely different upbringing for 27 years, who then was asked to show support for something he was told was bad for 27 years.

If you want people to grow and change then you have to understand and be accepting of their own upbringing and try to help them understand, not just immediately paint them as some despicable person.

As far as the win goes...the Flames are the worst team in the NHL over the last 12 games with a .250 point percentage. They are tanking admirably, but they aren't going to lose every game.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Go wear your Kuzmenko jersey to Edmonton, block the Deerfoot trail with a truck, and tell Danielle Smith about it.

Oh god, here we go with this garbage again.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Is he an LGBTphobe? Or is he a guy that grew up in a different culture, with a completely different upbringing for 27 years, who then was asked to show support for something he was told was bad for 27 years.

If you want people to grow and change then you have to understand and be accepting of their own upbringing and try to help them understand, not just immediately paint them as some despicable person.

As far as the win goes...the Flames are the worst team in the NHL over the last 12 games with a .250 point percentage. They are tanking admirably, but they aren't going to lose every game.

The Flames are set up nicely to be real bad next year. One of the worst 3-6 dmen groups in the league (maybe the worst), limited top end skill up front. For the tank crowd the next two seasons should be the best of times.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Except I'll be at the game in van first since 2013. It's also on my Birthday which is immensely rare .

It's the only game this year outside vs Oilers I actually care lol

My sympathies. Everyone I know has one annually.

[robertsfanatic]

worst PGT ever after a win? definitely a contender.

Entertaining game, was hoping for a Wolf shutout but he still played well so i'll take it...also we should always cheer for wins in Anaheim - we're owed that much at least!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You’re delirious if you think Calgary Flames will ever be engraved on the Stanley Cup with “Andrei Kuzmenko” as a contributor.

But yeah, yay, let’s cheer for the Flames to get closer to 9th or 10th or 11th! Who wouldn’t want that? 16th overall next year must be the goal.

You're trying to get some late votes for most likeable poster of the year right?

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Why are we assuming here that every other team loses all its remaining games?

It's a worst case scenario. Take a look at the other teams remaining schedule and in addition to teams that have tanked and will tank to get in position for the draft. Flames remaining games and the schedule for the month of April is easy compared to the other bottom dwellers.

Kraken final 4 games:
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Stars (L), Blues (L), Jets (L), Wild (L)

Sabres final 2 games:
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Panthers (L), Lightning (L)

NJD final 2 games:
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Flyers (?), Islanders (L)

Coyotes final 2 games:
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Flames (L), Oilers (L)

Senators final 3 games:
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Canadiens (W), Rangers (L), Bruins (L)

Canadiens final 3 games:
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Sens (L), Red Wings back to back (L + W)

Flames final 3 games:
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Coyotes (W), Canucks (L), Sharks (W)

You can count on Canadiens losing at least 2 of the 3 just to keep their 5th position.

[GioforPM]

Some of the PO teams that play the bottom teams will be resting key players. It’s pretty common for them to lose a game heading into the PO.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CSharp

It's a worst case scenario. Take a look at the other teams remaining schedule and in addition to teams that have tanked and will tank to get in position for the draft. Flames remaining games and the schedule for the month of April is easy compared to the other bottom dwellers.

Kraken final 4 games:
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Stars (L), Blues (L), Jets (L), Wild (L)

Sabres final 2 games:
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Panthers (L), Lightning (L)

NJD final 2 games:
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Flyers (?), Islanders (L)

Coyotes final 2 games:
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Flames (L), Oilers (L)

Senators final 3 games:
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Canadiens (W), Rangers (L), Bruins (L)

Canadiens final 3 games:
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Sens (L), Red Wings back to back (L + W)

Flames final 3 games:
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Coyotes (W), Canucks (L), Sharks (W)

You can count on Canadiens losing at least 2 of the 3 just to keep their 5th position.

Truthfully there are not enough games left in season to make a difference. Slim odds flames would over take Seattle and same for teams bellow flames.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You’re delirious if you think Calgary Flames will ever be engraved on the Stanley Cup with “Andrei Kuzmenko” as a contributor.

But yeah, yay, let’s cheer for the Flames to get closer to 9th or 10th or 11th! Who wouldn’t want that? 16th overall next year must be the goal.

I’d counter with the just as likely “You’re delirious if you think Calgary Flames will ever be engraved on the Stanley Cup with any of the current roster players.”
So
We might as well enjoy watching at least 1 dynamic player and let’s please stop being Oiler fans and cheering for losses.

[Rhett44]

I see a lot of people upset that a certain poster doesn't like Kuzmenko because of the pride jersey thing. But I remember there being a huge outrage in here when Reimer and others did the same thing.

Was the outrage more because of the comments he had made at the time? Or are people more willing to forgive or ignore it if it's a player on their team or that they are a fan of?

And trust me, I don't care either way over not wearing a jersey for warm-ups. But it just seems a very opposite reaction of what i remember when players on other teams opted out of doing the same thing.

And to be clear, I think people can be outraged or they can choose not to care. You can't force people to accept everything you believe. But you're certainly free to judge them if you want to.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I see a lot of people upset that a certain poster doesn't like Kuzmenko because of the pride jersey thing. But I remember there being a huge outrage in here when Reimer and others did the same thing.

Was the outrage more because of the comments he had made at the time? Or are people more willing to forgive or ignore it if it's a player on their team or that they are a fan of?

And trust me, I don't care either way over not wearing a jersey for warm-ups. But it just seems a very opposite reaction of what i remember when players on other teams opted out of doing the same thing.

I imagine people give him more of a pass partly because it didn’t happen here, partly because it was not recent and I don’t recall any comments Kuzmenko made, partly because he seems like a likeable guy otherwise. And sure, because he’s a Flame is probably a big part.

There’s also the Russian thing:

“NHL teams’ concern for Russian player safety has arisen since Russia’s anti-gay laws were amended in early December. Per The New York Times, the new law makes it “illegal to spread ‘propaganda’ about ‘nontraditional sexual relations’ in all media, including social, advertising and movies.” The law states fines can be up to $6,400 for citizens and $80,000 for organizations.”

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Would you be happier if he never scored any goals at all, and walked for nothing as a UFA because nobody wanted him?

Yes.

Butterfly vilified Kuzmenko for literally doing nothing, and it’s uncomfortable (and hilariously hypocritical) for butterly to learn that Kuzmenko is a genuinely likeable person and player, and quickly becoming a fan favourite.

There would have been a feeling of vindication if Kuzmenko had failed here and been an awful person in the process, and so far, butterfly has not been rewarded with that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

For me it's the Russian factor for sure. We don't know what his personal situation is and to what degree friends and family, still home in Russia, would be exposed to risk.