UPD: Flames renounce rights to Topi Ronni

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by neo45

So they were aware when? Because he was at this prospect camp

Not good. Not good at all

Because people accused of things are always guilty....right? Right?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Because people accused of things are always guilty....right? Right?

I think distancing yourself from an accused rapist who isn’t even a good player is probably the right call for a franchise


His own team just severed ties with him until the situation is resolved

[GioforPM]

I can’t see how the Flames could possibly have known anything about this at the draft unless Ronni actually volunteered the info.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t see how the Flames could possibly have known anything about this at the draft unless Ronni actually volunteered the info.

They sent out a release saying they knew after they selected him. So they didn't know when they selected him but found out somewhere between after selecting him and now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

They sent out a release saying they knew after they selected him. So they didn't know when they selected him but found out somewhere between after selecting him and now.

No doubt when they entered into a signing discussion. That’s when you can ask about pending legal issues.

But I’m sure you know the legal disclosure rules for minors in Ginland a lot better than me, so explain how they could have known back at the draft?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Because people accused of things are always guilty....right? Right?

Punishment for the crime will be handled by the courts and he deserves to be treated as innocent until proven otherwise.

Punishment for not disclosing a massive reputational risk to the team investing in you is up to the team and I think it would be a good call to cut ties.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Give him his due process but if he's guilty cut ties immediately.

If he's guilty you can still trade him to an organization like EDM, or CAR that doesn't care about the character of a player. I definitely agree about due process though.

[Buff]

Obviously he didn't volunteer the info if the Flames are claiming they found out after drafting him.

So why didn't he offer the info? Bad thinking or advice? Does he think/know he is being falsely accused and that this will go away so he didn't say anything at first? Is he guilty but hoping to get out of it somehow? Is he guilty but hoping it wouldn't come out?

There is different ways this could turn out and yet people are assuming he shouldn't be allowed to exist before the truth is determined.

I have no problem with the Flames waiting this out before they drop him but maybe he shouldn't come to camp next year if it is still ongoing. We're at the point of distancing but not yet cutting ties.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No doubt when they entered into a signing discussion. That’s when you can ask about pending legal issues.

But I’m sure you know the legal disclosure rules for minors in Ginland a lot better than me, so explain how they could have known back at the draft?

Huh? I was agreeing with you. You said you couldn't see how they knew at the draft and my post was saying they sent out a release saying they didn't know at the draft.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think distancing yourself from an accused rapist who isn’t even a good player is probably the right call for a franchise


His own team just severed ties with him until the situation is resolved

What if he didn't commit rape though? An accusation does not mean that he's guilty of a crime. It's not a great look for anyone being accused of rape but the fact is that he's innocent until proven guilty. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out but I don't see why the Flames would just drop a person that's been accused of something that has yet to be proven in a court of law.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What if he didn't commit rape though? An accusation does not mean that he's guilty of a crime. It's not a great look for anyone being accused of rape but the fact is that he's innocent until proven guilty. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out but I don't see why the Flames would just drop a person that's been accused of something that has yet to be proven in a court of law.

While I agree, It's not a good look for Ronni to have knowingly withheld this information from NHL teams predraft whom were willing to invest time and money into his future. I could certainly see that tarnishing his relationship with the organization regardless of the outcome of the court proceedings.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think distancing yourself from an accused rapist who isn’t even a good player is probably the right call for a franchise


His own team just severed ties with him until the situation is resolved

Maybe you have a different translation, but from what I am reading Ronni is taking a leave of absence from Tappara while dealing with this in court.

Tappara will make a decision upon the conclusion of the court.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was he at any of the rookie camps after they found out about this?

That would really tarnish his standing with the team.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, maybe it’s just me but Flames fans are not exactly at the top of the list of people who bad things happened to in this incident.

or maybe, just maybe I was predicting how this thread would go. and it did.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think distancing yourself from an accused rapist who isn’t even a good player is probably the right call for a franchise


His own team just severed ties with him until the situation is resolved

This is becoming a problem with today's societies and accusations though. I have no idea if he is guilty or not guilty but a simple accusation now ruins a person's life. I have personally seen someone lose their job, relationship, and pretty much all of their savings. In the end it came out that they were innocent but the damage is already done.

[VilleN]

Had the team known about this at the draft I imagine they would have avoided selecting him since he's unlikely to become an impact player for the Flames. However, I don't think they need to cut ties with him now - nor should they. As has been said before, we do not know the details of the allegations against him. I think it is incredibly important in a free society to hold on to the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty', and protect it not only as a legal matter, but as an ethical matter. If we agree that any accusation is grounds for dismissal before the legal proceedings make a determination it opens up the door for bad actors to abuse the system. If he's guilty I hope he's punished to the fullest extent of the law. If he's innocent, I hope he is able to pursue his hockey career unimpeded.

[Reggie Dunlop]

He was the fittest prospect at Flames development camp.....

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is becoming a problem with today's societies and accusations though. I have no idea if he is guilty or not guilty but a simple accusation now ruins a person's life. I have personally seen someone lose their job, relationship, and pretty much all of their savings. In the end it came out that they were innocent but the damage is already done.

Disavow yourself of this opinion immediately.

There is nothing "simple" about accusing someone of rape or sexual assault.

There is room for a discussion on the impacts of media on fair trial and innocence until proven guilt, but let's not diminish the act of accusing someone of something like this to triviality. Most cases of sexual assault or rape are in fact never reported because of the complexity, stress, pain, and often retribution caused by reporting.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Disavow yourself of this opinion immediately.

There is nothing "simple" about accusing someone of rape or sexual assault.

There is room for a discussion on the impacts of media on fair trial and innocence until proven guilt, but let's not diminish the act of accusing someone of something like this to triviality. Most cases of sexual assault or rape are in fact never reported because of the complexity, stress, pain, and often retribution caused by reporting.

That's irrelevant. The term 'simple' as used by the poster is conveying the idea that you can simply accuse someone of something and destroy their lives. Thus, diluting the power of the law - which we should all be very wary of. I think we all understand the seriousness of rape. However, an accusation does not imply guilt.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t see how the Flames could possibly have known anything about this at the draft unless Ronni actually volunteered the info.

Maybe the Flames scouting is not what is most important at this point. Are you pro-rape or something?