2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Being 'dynamic' is only one part of the game.

Ya, the most important part if you want to become a superstar. If he’s getting 9 or 10 million, he should be dynamic.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Tkachuk and Monahan for Eichel if that entices Buffalo might be where you have to start.

I think of the top forwards, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Mangiapane are the ones worth holding onto to be the complementary guys for that A-level center you bring back.

Eichel and Gaudreau together would be an elite pairing.

Scary elite actually, If Treliving could pull off a trade for Eichel and keep Gaudreau I would welcome being a top heavy team

[1qqaaz]

I agree, but shouldn't Eichel + Hall be scary elite as well?

Yet those two aren't even playing together.
Reinhart and Olafsson are carrying Eichel's line. Hall is on the 2nd line.

On the other hand, if Reinhart and Olafsson can be point per game players with Eichel, the Gaudreau would probably be scary.

[TheScorpion]

Buffalo has no defense and even less goaltending — I don't think their forwards are really the problem, honestly.

[djsFlames]

I don't know what's up with Eichel/Hall but I wouldn't expect that to last given their respective careers and histories.

I think part of it is the culture around that team and it being possible that Eichel has checked out a little.

I do absolutely think Eichel and Gaudreau would be dynamic together.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You don't trade a player with the talent of Gaudreau because of the myth that he "can't win in the playoffs".

Now, if Gaudreau won't sign an extension, then you should trade him before you lose him for nothing, or if someone offers you something you can't turn down then sure.

Has Gaudreau struggled in the playoffs so far? Yes. But lots of players did too......until they didn't. So like I said, unless you're forced to trade him, or can replace his talent, you keep him and hope he figures it out.

You need to give Gaudreau an extension offer within this year because it matters so much to value due to his contract expiry next year. So this year is the time to do it.

If he doesn’t re-sign (with a good, fair offer of that is the long term strategy), then trade him.

95% chance that means trade him.

Flames fans better buckle up. He’ll be gone within 18 months max.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I agree, but shouldn't Eichel + Hall be scary elite as well?

Yet those two aren't even playing together.
Reinhart and Olafsson are carrying Eichel's line. Hall is on the 2nd line.

On the other hand, if Reinhart and Olafsson can be point per game players with Eichel, the Gaudreau would probably be scary.

Hall is hot garbage this year, If he wasn't in Buffalo one would think he's on vacation

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it was fair to say he wasn’t going to be your star D on a cup winning team. He found a good role a with the Blues, with a really good D corps. Here’ the expectations were not accurate.

Yep.

I really don’t buy into these statements such as ‘you can’t win with (insert players name here)’. It’s nonsense. Where’s the context? Who are the teammates? What is the players role? There are countless things to be taken into consideration.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it was fair to say he wasn’t going to be your star D on a cup winning team. He found a good role a with the Blues, with a really good D corps. Here’ the expectations were not accurate.

He also was part of the 2014 Olympic team, perhaps the greatest Canadian performance since hockey became a global sport. He was a regular part of the 6 man defence which allowed 4 goals all tournament. He was, apart from his time in Calgary, a great dman.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He also was part of the 2014 Olympic team, perhaps the greatest Canadian performance since hockey became a global sport. He was a regular part of the 6 man defence which allowed 4 goals all tournament. He was, apart from his time in Calgary, a great dman.


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Sure, though as you may recall, they famously created that team to not necessarily have the very best players throughout, but to play roles. And they focused on defence, which Jaybo is good at. Also on that team: Dan Hamhuis, Sharp, Duchene, Kunitz. And you can’t tell me Mike Smith was the 3rd best Canadian goalie ahead of Fleury.

Jaybo was traded to St. Louis and they struggled for years. A fantastic Dman but when they won the cup he was 34 and behind Peitrangelo, Parayko etc.

ETA: I also don’t buy the “can’t win” story. ROR was the same. But you never heard that about Iginla who actually didn’t win.

[ComixZone]

If the Flames were ever going to do anything whacky/bold, I’d be okay with a wild payment for Eichel.

To BUF: Hanifin, Bennett, Ryan, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st
To CGY: Eichel, Mittelstadt

Re-sign Gaudreau, and committ to the top six of Gaudreau, Eichel, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm.

Tkachuk - Eichel - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Backlund - Dube
Mittelstadt - Gawdin - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Expose Backlund in the expansion draft.

I’d prefer this path to ripping it all down.

[SportsJunky]

That defense gives me the chills.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the Flames were ever going to do anything whacky/bold, I’d be okay with a wild payment for Eichel.

To BUF: Hanifin, Bennett, Ryan, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st
To CGY: Eichel, Mittelstadt

Re-sign Gaudreau, and committ to the top six of Gaudreau, Eichel, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm.

Tkachuk - Eichel - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Backlund - Dube
Mittelstadt - Gawdin - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Expose Backlund in the expansion draft.

I’d prefer this path to ripping it all down.

I think that's just 2 much. Your giving up basically 4 1st rounders plus hanifin. May as well just offer sheet Barzel and give up less

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think that's just 2 much. Your giving up basically 4 1st rounders plus hanifin. May as well just offer sheet Barzel and give up less

Eichel is just that good.

I’m genuinely at a point where I say this team has to rip it down and hope they draft someone as good as Eichel, or trade for Eichel.

Otherwise this team will just continue to wander aimlessly in mediocrity. They need an elite top centre. If they can lock in that player, all the other pieces are in place. Valimaki will be the top LHD, Andersson the top RHD, and 2nd pairing defenceman are easy to find every summer. It’s easy to fill spots 3-6 on the defence through free agency. We have an elite goalie. Gaudreau, Mang, Lindholm, and Chucky are fantastic top six wingers. Monahan would be a good 2nd line centre. We also have some depth players in the AHL that could fill in the bottom six for a few years effectively (Gawdin, Ruzicka, Phillips, Pospisil). So how do you get the elite #1 centre? Pay the price to acquire him.

Get Eichel.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Eichel is just that good.

I’m genuinely at a point where I say this team has to rip it down and hope they draft someone as good as Eichel, or trade for Eichel.

Otherwise this team will just continue to wander aimlessly in mediocrity. They need an elite top centre. If they can lock in that player, all the other pieces are in place. Valimaki will be the top LHD, Andersson the top RHD, and 2nd pairing defenceman are easy to find every summer. It’s easy to fill spots 3-6 on the defence through free agency. Gaudreau, Mang, Lindholm, and Chucky are fantastic top six wingers. Monahan would be a good 2nd line centre. So how do you get the elite #1 centre? Pay the price to acquire him.

Get Eichel.

I agree but that's still overpayment and more than it would take IMO.
I imagine Buffalo would prefer some impact roster players over just 1st rounders too. I can't see them going into an obvious rebuild again this soon.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I agree but that's still overpayment and more than it would take IMO.
I imagine Buffalo would prefer some impact roster players over just 1st rounders too. I can't see them going into an obvious rebuild again this soon.

Hanifin is in there. He and Dahlin give them the foundation for the defensive core.

I don’t think you get Eichel without an overpay. It’s an organization altering acquisition. We’d have the pieces to compete, legitimately, for the next half-decade at least.

Whoever gets Eichel, it’s going to be a “good grief they paid a lot” reaction. I’d sooner be the team to pay the price, than not. The only other way to get a piece like Eichel is tanking for multiple years and getting lucky in the lottery.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the Flames were ever going to do anything whacky/bold, I’d be okay with a wild payment for Eichel.

To BUF: Hanifin, Bennett, Ryan, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st
To CGY: Eichel, Mittelstadt

Re-sign Gaudreau, and committ to the top six of Gaudreau, Eichel, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm.

Tkachuk - Eichel - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Backlund - Dube
Mittelstadt - Gawdin - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Expose Backlund in the expansion draft.

I’d prefer this path to ripping it all down.

I don't want to live in a world where Jack Eichel is wasting away without the Flames and the Flames are wasting away without Jack Eichel.

Make Jack Eichel a Flame Treliving.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the Flames were ever going to do anything whacky/bold, I’d be okay with a wild payment for Eichel.

To BUF: Hanifin, Bennett, Ryan, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st
To CGY: Eichel, Mittelstadt

Re-sign Gaudreau, and committ to the top six of Gaudreau, Eichel, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm.

Tkachuk - Eichel - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Backlund - Dube
Mittelstadt - Gawdin - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Expose Backlund in the expansion draft.

I’d prefer this path to ripping it all down.

Impossible scenario but that team with a proper coach and a healthy markstrom would annihilate the division.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Impossible scenario but that team with a proper coach and a healthy markstrom would annihilate the division.

It may even be good enough to overcome an incompetent coach!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the Flames were ever going to do anything whacky/bold, I’d be okay with a wild payment for Eichel.

To BUF: Hanifin, Bennett, Ryan, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st
To CGY: Eichel, Mittelstadt

No way does Buffalo make that deal. Bennett and Ryan are worthless in a trade, probably negative value at this point, so there is no use trying to include them. That means you're trading Eichel for Hanifin and a bunch of magic beans. Do you honestly think any team is taking magic beans for their franchise player? Even if those picks turn into lottery picks that trade is a long term commitment to yet another rebuild for the Sabres. Why would they do that? They are going to demand a reasonable return that keeps them competitive. I would think the demand is going to be a two first line players (preferably a center and a winger), a top four defenseman, and a 1st. All players would have to come with term and good contracts. If I were Buffalo that would be my demand and I would hold out for it. Draft picks mean nothing to me.

That deal is also brutal for Calgary. The development system already has a huge hole in it and that would just make matters worse. Good teams have a steady stream of good young cost controlled talent coming into the pipeline to support the big salaries. Trading away three years of 1sts would cripple an already lacking system. There would be next to nothing on the farm and even less to develop the depth needed to win.

Re-sign Gaudreau, and committ to the top six of Gaudreau, Eichel, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm.

So how do you do this? How are you going to sign all of these players and keep them happy? Eichel is a $10M player. Tkachuk will be a $9M player. Based on performance and production Gaudreau will be demanding as much as Tkachuk. Monahan will be looking for a bump on his salary as well. Mangiapane will be looking for at worst the same as Lindholm. Salary cap says hello.

Could the Flames go after Eichel? Sure. They could put a very competitive package together of Monahan, Lindholm, Hanifin, and a 1st. Would alleviate the salary structure pressure and still give the team the resources to build toward a future. Not sure I see the value in it though. I think the Flames are better off with the players they are trading away. Eichel comes here and has to play under Ward and the fans are up his ass in a month. You have to consider what is left of the team and whether it would be competitive or not. Personally I would make Tkachuk the centerpiece in a trade for Eichel, but I'm not sure what value he holds around the league. Would it be enough to where you could keep an extra player in the deal or move a lesser asset? I don't know. Buffalo would tell you. I think they know they need a center back, I'm not sure we have the center they would ultimately want.