Israel declares war on Hamas

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Who are you talking to? We’re on the same page brother!

As you said, Palestinians are worth less so we shouldn’t even talk about them dying. They’re all genocidal lunatics! Especially the babies. You ever seen a baby walk on to a bus and suicide bomb it? Super crazy, and unbelievable, but THAT is why Israel needs to kill 40x as many women and children, because you can’t even trust the BABIES!

I’m like you man, forget all this other stuff. Let’s just talk about October 7 and suicide bombers on buses. We don’t even need to tell these crazy Gaza defenders (I mean.. HAMAS DEFENDERS am I right???!!) that Israel just killed more people in a day than suicide bombers have in the last 20 years! If we can just distract these dummies long enough then you and I can totally just talk about October 7 ONLY.

Love this for us. I love being on your side now it’s way more fun. As you said: glass that place and all those worth(less than Israeli) women and children!

Some people might think it’s a crazy thing to say but I disagree, I think it’s cool how much you hate them and how much you don’t care. Don’t let ANYBODY tell you different!

Oh you're just bitter because the numbers don't line up. You think Israel should be like "hey guys I ran the number and we can't attack them anymore, we've killed the same number they have. Gonna have to wait for them to kill more of us before we can continue."

You want a fair fight where the same amount of people are killed on each side. You don't care who started the war and what each side is fighting for, in your eyes Hamas and Israel are the same but Israeli citizens are perfectly valid targets.

I understand you bro, you can wrap it up and move on to your new outrage of the week. Well done.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh you're just bitter because the numbers don't line up. You think Israel should be like "hey guys I ran the number and we can't attack them anymore, we've killed the same number they have. Gonna have to wait for them to kill more of us before we can continue."

You want a fair fight where the same amount of people are killed on each side. You don't care who started the war and what each side is fighting for, in your eyes Hamas and Israel are the same but Israeli citizens are perfectly valid targets.

I understand you bro, you can wrap it up and move on to your new outrage of the week. Well done.

Who is outraged? Bitter? I’m sorry if you got the wrong idea and you think my posts are disagreeing with you at all, I will definitely make sure I reserve a safe space for you to read them and not feel so attacked and hard done by!

As I said we’re on the same page. It totally doesn’t matter that Israel has killed tens of thousands more Palestinians than the other way around because as you said, Israelis are worth wayyyy more than Palestinians. I mean most people would think “the same amount of people killed on both sides” would be a good thing when they’re advocating for like… zero… but not you and I, we know we gotta RACK EM AND STACK EM!

I agree with your proposal that we shouldn’t care who started the war. I’m surprised you said that though since I thought we agreed we would only talk about October 7? Honestly I disagree with you that, in your words, “Israeli citizens are valid targets.” That’s kind of sick and antisemitic for you to say that. You kind of sound like a Nazi tbh. Or like, a low level Klan member.

I gotta say your hate for Israel is really making me think we don’t agree. Here I thought you just wanted Palestinians dead but you want EVERYONE dead? Kind of sick tbh.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Who is outraged? Bitter? I’m sorry if you got the wrong idea and you think my posts are disagreeing with you at all, I will definitely make sure I reserve a safe space for you to read them and not feel so attacked and hard done by!

As I said we’re on the same page. It totally doesn’t matter that Israel has killed tens of thousands more Palestinians than the other way around because as you said, Israelis are worth wayyyy more than Palestinians. I mean most people would think “the same amount of people killed on both sides” would be a good thing when they’re advocating for like… zero… but not you and I, we know we gotta RACK EM AND STACK EM!

I agree with your proposal that we shouldn’t care who started the war. I’m surprised you said that though since I thought we agreed we would only talk about October 7? Honestly I disagree with you that, in your words, “Israeli citizens are valid targets.” That’s kind of sick and antisemitic for you to say that. You kind of sound like a Nazi tbh. Or like, a low level Klan member.

I gotta say your hate for Israel is really making me think we don’t agree. Here I thought you just wanted Palestinians dead but you want EVERYONE dead? Kind of sick tbh.

It's ok I forgive you. Nice to see you've come around after supporting your "freedom fighters" Hamas. I guess you finally realized that people who rape and murder women and children really aren't a group you should support. I knew someone of your intelligence would see reason eventually. No harm no foul though.

Next time try and educate yourself a bit before wading into these arguments and you wont embarrass yourself so thoroughly. Well now that that is settled and all the protestors are heading back to their jobs as starbuck baristas, Biden declared no genocide and famine was also proven false I assume you will move onto the next trendy movement? Knowing you it would be something like protesting gay pride parades as they should allow themselves to be thrown from buildings? I would advise against such a thing though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

It's ok I forgive you. Nice to see you've come around after supporting your "freedom fighters" Hamas. I guess you finally realized that people who rape and murder women and children really aren't a group you should support. I knew someone of your intelligence would see reason eventually. No harm no foul though.

Next time try and educate yourself a bit before wading into these arguments and you wont embarrass yourself so thoroughly. Well now that that is settled and all the protestors are heading back to their jobs as starbuck baristas, Biden declared no genocide and famine was also proven false I assume you will move onto the next trendy movement? Knowing you it would be something like protesting gay pride parades as they should allow themselves to be thrown from buildings? I would advise against such a thing though.

Now you’re saying you think gay people should be thrown off buildings?

First the anti-semitism, now this?

I have to say Skeeter, I misjudged you, we can’t be pro-Israel government brothers after all. Perhaps you can hang out with your “freedom fighter” friends in Hamas.

Very sick. Very sick.

[Doctorfever]

Unhinged a little??

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Now you’re saying you think gay people should be thrown off buildings?

First the anti-semitism, now this?

I have to say Skeeter, I misjudged you, we can’t be pro-Israel government brothers after all. Perhaps you can hang out with your “freedom fighter” friends in Hamas.

Very sick. Very sick.

It's ok I still forgive you Peppy, when you move out of your moms basement you're gonna find a world full of people who accept you, just leave your hateful ideas behind. Best of luck.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

It's ok I still forgive you Peppy, when you move out of your moms basement you're gonna find a world full of people who accept you, just leave your hateful ideas behind. Best of luck.

I’m glad you finally recognize your views as hateful when they’re parroted back to you. Took a little longer than I thought due to the density of the subject but mission accomplished.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

It's ok I forgive you. Nice to see you've come around after supporting your "freedom fighters" Hamas. I guess you finally realized that people who rape and murder women and children really aren't a group you should support. I knew someone of your intelligence would see reason eventually. No harm no foul though.

Next time try and educate yourself a bit before wading into these arguments and you wont embarrass yourself so thoroughly. Well now that that is settled and all the protestors are heading back to their jobs as starbuck baristas, Biden declared no genocide and famine was also proven false I assume you will move onto the next trendy movement? Knowing you it would be something like protesting gay pride parades as they should allow themselves to be thrown from buildings? I would advise against such a thing though.

Stop lying to yourself and others.



https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=7822

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m glad you finally recognize your views as hateful when they’re parroted back to you. Took a little longer than I thought due to the density of the subject but mission accomplished.

It's funny that you put your own ignorant words in my mouth and claim I'm the hateful one. You set up these brain-dead strawmen in a sad attempt to win the argument when I haven't said anything you claim I did. Keep trying I guess, the world and reality will continue on without you, you can keep pounding your feeble fists in frustration that your twisted views are completely ignored by all sides.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

It's funny that you put your own ignorant words in my mouth and claim I'm the hateful one. You set up these brain-dead strawmen in a sad attempt to win the argument when I haven't said anything you claim I did. Keep trying I guess, the world and reality will continue on without you, you can keep pounding your feeble fists in frustration that your twisted views are completely ignored by all sides.

Everything I said, you said first. No straw men, just facts. You can keep projecting though. You’re painting a pretty clear picture of your own insecurities with all the “pounding feeble fists” “starbucks baristas” “living in mom’s basement” “the world will continue in without you” talk.

Sorry that your life didn’t turn out the way you thought it would. Makes sense why you talk about people being worth less than others, wanting to run up the death toll, and throwing gays off of buildings. If you hate other people that much I can’t imagine how much you hate yourself.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Everything I said, you said first. No straw men, just facts. You can keep projecting though. You’re painting a pretty clear picture of your own insecurities with all the “pounding feeble fists” “starbucks baristas” “living in mom’s basement” “the world will continue in without you” talk.

Sorry that your life didn’t turn out the way you thought it would. Makes sense why you talk about people being worth less than others, wanting to run up the death toll, and throwing gays off of buildings. If you hate other people that much I can’t imagine how much you hate yourself.

Oh muffin keep telling yourself that. Everything you said is just what is hiding behind your mask that has been slipping since Oct 7th and everyone saw your hatred start. From defending the murder of LGBT to the minimizing of mass rape and slaughter you have been quite apparent with your support of Hamas before Israel even started their operation.

I'm the one bringing up the mistreatment of gay Palestinians but you try and twist some dumb little strawmen around, do you think anyone doesn't see through your nonsense?

[Doctorfever]

And here comes an attack on the poster, not the issues in 3, 2, 1…

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh muffin keep telling yourself that. Everything you said is just what is hiding behind your mask that has been slipping since Oct 7th and everyone saw your hatred start. From defending the murder of LGBT to the minimizing of mass rape and slaughter you have been quite apparent with your support of Hamas before Israel even started their operation.

I'm the one bringing up the mistreatment of gay Palestinians but you try and twist some dumb little strawmen around, do you think anyone doesn't see through your nonsense?

I think that it is a little hypocritical to focus on " minimizing of mass rape and slaughter " when Israel is getting dogs to ass rape hostages... ( sorry prisoners taken without trial or any other due process).

You're right. Palestine, and the majority of the fundamentalist world are hostile against folks who are LGBTQ. The criticism of that is very valid, but the that in no way justifies destroying over 50% of their infostructure.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

And here comes an attack on the poster, not the issues in 3, 2, 1…

Well when the poster continues to spread falsehoods, at some point you just write them off as an idiot, or worse, someone who cheers on and celebrates the death and suffering of innocent people. Clearly Skootenbeeten is not interested in debating facts, or do you agree with him that despite all evidence and expert views, their isn't a famine?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

And here comes an attack on the poster, not the issues in 3, 2, 1…

One of the current main issues is there is genocide being committed and indiscriminate mass murdering of innocents including infants and children.

Another issue is that a whole population is being starved to death.

Another issue is that there are sick twisted individuals who for reasons known only to themselves are willing to present a lie that this deliberate ongoing mass starvation is not happening despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I am glad there is no starvation.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think that it is a little hypocritical to focus on " minimizing of mass rape and slaughter " when Israel is getting dogs to ass rape hostages... ( sorry prisoners taken without trial or any other due process).

You're right. Palestine, and the majority of the fundamentalist world are hostile against folks who are LGBTQ. The criticism of that is very valid, but the that in no way justifies destroying over 50% of their infostructure.

The brown man has to be perfect to gain sympathy, the white man needs to just exist to be seen as morally superior.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

And here comes an attack on the poster, not the issues in 3, 2, 1…

It’s a never ending cycle of sh*tpost and then when people call you out, act all indignant and be like, “why don’t you argue the points!?”.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh muffin keep telling yourself that. Everything you said is just what is hiding behind your mask that has been slipping since Oct 7th and everyone saw your hatred start. From defending the murder of LGBT to the minimizing of mass rape and slaughter you have been quite apparent with your support of Hamas before Israel even started their operation.

I'm the one bringing up the mistreatment of gay Palestinians but you try and twist some dumb little strawmen around, do you think anyone doesn't see through your nonsense?

The difference is that you’re bringing it up (as far as I can tell) to justify killing people, while I, despite living in the face of those hostilities myself, have no desire to see anyone condemned to death for their beliefs and don’t believe killing thousands of them is an effective way to change those beliefs. In fact, I know

Haven’t seen you around in any other threads making any sort of defence or showing any concern for LGBTQ people. What are some of the big issues the LGBTQ community in North America has been facing that you’ve taken it upon yourself to speak up about?

You can talk about “masks” and “moving on to the next trendy movement” but the nice thing about a message board is that we can see old posts. So, it’s a bit strange to claim to care about a global issue but never post about it in regards to anything but Israel, and even stranger for this to be the only issue you’ve obsessed over since you were defending kids wearing MAGA hats from “natives” and “israelites” and suggesting “black people only riot when a black person is killed by a white person.”

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The difference is that you’re bringing it up (as far as I can tell) to justify killing people, while I, despite living in the face of those hostilities myself, have no desire to see anyone condemned to death for their beliefs and don’t believe killing thousands of them is an effective way to change those beliefs. In fact, I know

Haven’t seen you around in any other threads making any sort of defence or showing any concern for LGBTQ people. What are some of the big issues the LGBTQ community in North America has been facing that you’ve taken it upon yourself to speak up about?

You can talk about “masks” and “moving on to the next trendy movement” but the nice thing about a message board is that we can see old posts. So, it’s a bit strange to claim to care about a global issue but never post about it in regards to anything but Israel, and even stranger for this to be the only issue you’ve obsessed over since you were defending kids wearing MAGA hats from “natives” and “israelites” and suggesting “black people only riot when a black person is killed by a white person.”

So you've abandoned your last strawman after embarrassing yourself I see. Where I post and how often I post here means nothing but thank you for going through some posts I made on entirely different topics from years ago. I guess you think that helps your position but it really doesn't.

I came in here because I read the lies and garbage you and your ilk were spreading, nothing but straight hatred so I decided to speak up against it. You're still doing it but at least I can tell you to your face what a vile human you are. If you want to support Hamas I will gladly throw the facts that you are supporting people who murder LGBT communities, you should have to face that fact every day.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

So you've abandoned your last strawman after embarrassing yourself I see. Where I post and how often I post here means nothing but thank you for going through some posts I made on entirely different topics from years ago. I guess you think that helps your position but it really doesn't.

I came in here because I read the lies and garbage you and your ilk were spreading, nothing but straight hatred so I decided to speak up against it. You're still doing it but at least I can tell you to your face what a vile human you are. If you want to support Hamas I will gladly throw the facts that you are supporting people who murder LGBT communities, you should have to face that fact every day.

Out of one side of your mouth you talk about supporting gay Palestinians, out of the other you paint support for the innocent Palestinians as support for Hamas (equating all Palestinians, gay or straight, men or women, adults or little babies, to terrorists), suggest those people’s lives are worth less than Israelis, and call members of the community “vile humans” that should face people hostile to them every day.

You can understand why it seems like you don’t actually care about LGBTQ people.

Part of the problem with this kind of attitude is that it is little more than “pinkwashing” or using LGBTQ issues as pawns to excuse or gloss over human rights abuses.

For gay Palestinians, the biggest issue they’re facing right now is that they are being killed by the Israeli government, their homes are being destroyed, and they’re being starved. Bombs don’t discriminate. And there is no safe passage for gay Palestinians to enter Israel or be protected by them.

Members of the LGBTQ community in Israel are also still fighting against discrimination, violence, and to protect the rights they have, especially in the face of a far right government that includes members who have expressed hatred or contempt for them. You suggest I would protest a Pride parade. I doubt you’ve ever been to one. Here’s a member of the Knesset’s view:

A Haredi member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition blasted the LGBTQ community in an interview Tuesday, saying it was a graver threat to Israel than Islamist terror groups and adding that it was his duty to prevent Pride marches.

Yitzhak Pindrus, a senior member of the United Torah Judaism party who has a history of controversial remarks, including against members of the LGBTQ community, told Channel 12 news that “I understand I may have not correctly conveyed my message [previously], I will now try to explain it better.

“In my worldview, the most dangerous thing to the State of Israel — more than Islamic State, more than Hezbollah, more than Hamas — is the permissiveness regarding arayot, because that’s what the Torah says,” Pindrus said, using a term for sexual relationships and practices that are forbidden by the Bible and by Jewish law, including intercourse between men, among many other examples not related to LGBTQ people.

“Not the economy. This is the most dangerous thing for the State of Israel,” Pindrus continued, quoting Torah verses saying that the punishment for sexual permissiveness would be the Jewish people being banished from the Land of Israel.

“That is why… I need to not only prevent the Pride parade, but in general to prevent this movement,” he said, presumably referring to the LGBTQ rights movement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/coalit...-or-hamas/amp/

Here’s what the community in Israel thinks of the government, and what some Israelis think of the community:

Israel's far-right Police Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has been jeered by marchers at Jerusalem Gay Pride.

Thousands turned out for the event despite security fears over online threats and counter-protests.

The march was the first since the election of a hardline religious-nationalist government, including openly homophobic senior ministers.

Tensions are always high after an ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremist murdered a teenage participant in 2015.

Marchers waved huge rainbow and Israeli flags and banners that accused far-right ministers of trying to push them "back in the closet".

Mr Ben-Gvir, who as National Security minister was responsible for securing the march, has a long track-record of aggressively homophobic positions and once attended a so-called "beast parade" rejecting LGBTQ rights.

…

Far-right Telegram and WhatsApp groups published "violent and hateful messages" throughout the week, according to FakeReporter, which monitors online extremism. It said that Lehava, a far-right group, referred to march as the "abomination parade" and called for protests accompanied by a message stating that it would be a "deadly Thursday".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65754104.amp

And here’s what some actual academics and members of the Palestinian and Israeli LGBTQ communities think, so you don’t feel the need to speak for people:

When Daoud, a veteran queer activist, recently walked past rainbow flags hung for Pride month in the old port city of Jaffa, a historic centre of Palestinian culture, he was overcome by a wave of revulsion.

The most famous symbol of LGBTQ+ liberation has been so co-opted by the Israeli state that to a gay Palestinian like him it now serves only as a reminder of the horror unfolding just 60 miles south.

Last November, Israel’s government posted two images from Gaza on its social media account. One shows Israeli soldier Yoav Atzmoni, in battle fatigues, in front of buildings reduced to rubble by Israeli airstrikes. He holds a rainbow flag with a hand-scrawled message: “In the name of love”.

…


“I saw the disgusting use of Pride flags in Gaza,” said Daoud, a Palestinian citizen of Israel whose name has been changed. He asked for anonymity because Palestinians have faced arrest and persecution for expressing solidarity with civilians in Gaza and criticising the war.
“Now, in this period when terrible death looms over all of us, I can’t see the Pride flag any other way. It really turned my stomach seeing them; it was revolting,” he added.

Daoud’s reaction is shared by many queer people around the world, said Phillip Ayoub, professor of international relations at University College London, who researches the intersection of politics and LGBTQ+ rights.

“That cognitive disconnect of seeing what else is in the image – #rubble that was people’s homes – then seeing the flag being displayed in a celebratory way. It is a massive violation to people who have fought for their rights under this flag.”

Those images from Gaza are part of a long-running international campaign that critics call “pinkwashing”because they say it aims to bolster the Israeli state by linking it with queerness, presenting it as an explicit counterpart to a Palestinian identity depicted as exclusively and violently homophobic.

It exploits global support for LGBTQ+ rights to further an Israeli ultranationalist political agenda and legitimise the oppression of Palestinians, said Sa’ed Atshan, chair of the department of peace and conflict studies at Swarthmore College and author of Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique.

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This messaging was driven not by genuine enthusiasm for LGBTQ+ rights from a government that includes a self-proclaimed “fascist homophobe” as finance minister, he said, but was deployed strategically for political ends.

“The Israeli state has different audiences,” Atshan said. “If it is addressing LGBTQ-friendly domestic audiences in Israel or globally, then it whips out this pink-washing discourse trying to portray Israel as a gay haven.”

For homophobic audiences, including at home and Christian Zionists abroad, “it presents a homophobic discourse about religious conservatism and adherence to ‘family values’ and revulsion towards queerness”.

..

Even for the Jewish majority in the LGBTQ+ community, Israel’s track record on equal rights is outpaced by its official propaganda.

“Palestine is a patriarchal society, and homophobic, but so is Israel. There are more queer rights in Israel than other Middle Eastern countries, but they’re still limited and it’s not a major success story,” Ayoub said.

There is a long, well-documented record of the Israeli security services exploiting the sexuality of LGBTQ+ Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, with devastating and sometimes fatal results.

“During my training course in preparation for my service in this assigned role, we actually learned to memorise and filter different words for ‘gay’ in Arabic,” a member of Israel’s intelligence corps testified a decade ago.

“If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person, and we need to know about it, Israel will make your life miserable.”

Last year, a Palestinian from Nablus was publicly executed. He had confessed collaboration with Israel’s domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet, saying they used a video of him having sex with another man to blackmail him into informing.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/ar...t-pink-washing

Since you care more than the LGBTQ community about LGBTQ issues and since you only frequent this thread (and can’t think of any local LGBTQ issues you care about), perhaps you can comment on any of the issues I’ve kindly presented for you?