2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Psytic]

Not sure how reliable this model is that Micah Blake McCurdy‏ created but it gets referenced a lot on HF boards. Looks like Rittich is legit.
Howard looking great as well but still not at the cost of a 1st.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1087400586599976962

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by 868904

Athanasiou is a one trick pony, he can skate really fast, go end to end, scores occasionally, and has no idea where his own net is or what to do while he's there.

Did you just describe McDavid?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I want the Flames to hang on to Michael Stone at least until the situation with his brother is resolved. If Mark goes UFA any thing that might help to sway him to sign in Calgary is a plus. Unlikely scenario for sure, but you never know.

This reminds me of another brothers combo, didn't Scott Niedermayer signed with the Ducks because his brother Rob was on the team. I might've remembered incorrectly, Flames was heavily pursuing him and was very close at signing him but he at the end chose the Ducks because of his brother?

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

This reminds me of another brothers combo, didn't Scott Niedermayer signed with the Ducks because his brother Rob was on the team. I might've remembered incorrectly, Flames was heavily pursuing him and was very close at signing him but he at the end chose the Ducks because of his brother?

I'm pretty sure we had the bad brother...but that was many moons ago.

I get it, a bargaining chip is a bargaining chip. If the money's the same, and the team is as good, playing with his brother might be enough to make up his mind. It's something, but often not enough on its own.

I was running the math in another thread, and I don't think the Flames can even offer Stone a contract unless they are willing to cut bait with Bennett and Ryan, or Neal, or Frolik. One of the contracts you'd be looking to move out to bring Stone in is his brothers...and that's a little awkward.

[3rd Degree]

1st, Dube, Mangiapane, and Neal for Stone. Then sign Stone.

[3rd Degree]

In the offseason trade Frolik and Brodie which will make room for Tkachuk. Now that Brodie's value has been re-gio'd, his return should
restock the cupboards.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

This reminds me of another brothers combo, didn't Scott Niedermayer signed with the Ducks because his brother Rob was on the team. I might've remembered incorrectly, Flames was heavily pursuing him and was very close at signing him but he at the end chose the Ducks because of his brother?

Scott left money on the table from other teams to go play with his brother.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm pretty sure we had the bad brother...but that was many moons ago.

Yes, we had the bad brother, then we traded him to the Ducks. And a couple of years later Scott became UFA? Or something like that, the only thing I'm sure was at the time he signed with the Ducks, Rob was playing there. He did say that he wanted to win a Cup with his brother.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm pretty sure we had the bad brother...but that was many moons ago.

I get it, a bargaining chip is a bargaining chip. If the money's the same, and the team is as good, playing with his brother might be enough to make up his mind. It's something, but often not enough on its own.

I was running the math in another thread, and I don't think the Flames can even offer Stone a contract unless they are willing to cut bait with Bennett and Ryan, or Neal, or Frolik. One of the contracts you'd be looking to move out to bring Stone in is his brothers...and that's a little awkward.

Yeah there no room to bring in stone as he and tkachuk will demand about 16-17 between them

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Yes, we had the bad brother, then we traded him to the Ducks. And a couple of years later Scott became UFA? Or something like that, the only thing I'm sure was at the time he signed with the Ducks, Rob was playing there. He did say that he wanted to win a Cup with his brother.

Who doesn't! I'm pretty sure my brother and I hoisted a Stanley Cup or two in our driveway growing up.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Frolik?

It would be a move definitely looked at in the offseason but not now as you don't want to mess up the chemistry too much. But after this season Burakovsky is an RFA (3m) and Frolik has 1 year left so there is team control both sides. Fits the team archetype of playstyle.

[Moneyhands23]

For the Flames this year I think No move is the best move.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ColoradoFlamesFan

I loved Ferland and what he did for us, but I think the cost will be too high.

If one of the Ritchie brothers (Dallas/Anaheim) might be available if their team drops out, maybe they could fill that role?

Both are cost controlled, young, big
I can’t see the acquisition cost being excessive

This will hardly come as ground breaking but all of these players depend on acquisition cost.

Any player added up front probably needs to be better than Frolik/Bennett/Neal by a measurable amount to make expending any assets on the player worthwhile.

Is Ferland better than those players? I think so, but how much? That's debatable when you think of two way play and the line that they're trying to fit into.

Getting say Stone is different ... that's altering the top six. But don't spend a huge amount of assets in adding a fourth guy to the mix (Frolik/Bennett/Neal) and pushing one to the fourth line.

Better to aim for a guy just lower than those players ... a third liner elsewhere that becomes a 3/4 in Calgary.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

1st, Dube, Mangiapane, and Neal for Stone. Then sign Stone.

Firstly, Ottawa doesn't need to take on a salary dump to move Stone, therefore they won't unless the deal is a serious overpay, which this isn't.

Secondly, the value of Mangiapane and Neal together is still quite negative. Throwing Dube into the mix likely makes it about neutral. That's how much teams value cap space these days, especially those that aren't cap teams.

So, your offer is about, more or less, a late 1st for Stone.

It would likely take about the 1st and one of the Flames young d-men to get it done. No salary dump.

Teams will line up to trade for Stone, if he gets moved.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I would imagine Kylington hits the bench/Stockton once Valimaki is back anyways, which will probably occur first or second game back from this break.

Should there be no injuries moving forward,(unlikely) he will be back in Calgary once Stocktons season is over. Somewhere in the middle of April as it appears now.

Why would you think that?
Kylington has looked better than Valimaki, Valimaki has not played in two months, the level of the league has ramped up since he last played.
Best thing for Valimaki to do is to stay in Stockton and play as much as possible. Every situation and lots of minutes.

If Stone comes back from injury the Flames have Valimaki, Stone, and Prout to play in case of injuries. Don't think that the Flames add another defenseman at the deadline unless Stone is unable to come back this season.

[Geeoff]

The Flames have a tough decision because Valimaki and Kylington are both NHL players but too many young NHL defensemen is one heck of a problem to have!

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Firstly, Ottawa doesn't need to take on a salary dump to move Stone, therefore they won't unless the deal is a serious overpay, which this isn't.

Secondly, the value of Mangiapane and Neal together is still quite negative. Throwing Dube into the mix likely makes it about neutral. That's how much teams value cap space these days, especially those that aren't cap teams.

So, your offer is about, more or less, a late 1st for Stone.

It would likely take about the 1st and one of the Flames young d-men to get it done. No salary dump.

Teams will line up to trade for Stone, if he gets moved.

Mangiapane's value is not negative.

Neal's value is poor because of his contract. So retaining a portion can fix that problem.

[Matata]

Kylington has 2 important, beautiful goals in his last two games. That should give him a pretty big leg up on Valimaki.

[Bunk]

I wonder too if keeping Kylington in, and developing Valimaki for the rest of the season in Stockton makes the most sense.

With the glut on the left side, it seems as though one of them is likely to be moved, unless one of them can switch to the other side.

I just cannot see Valimaki being moved with his perceived high ceiling, which would make Kylington the prime candidate. Showcasing him through the rest of the season and playoffs could bump up his trade value massively.

I'd hate to lose Kylington, but I just don't see where he fits in, unless he or Valimaki can switch sides.

[Ryan Coke]

I think the team likes Valimaki’s play in his own zone better than Kylington’s. He has definitely improved in his time, and we don’t know exactly where Valimakis game is at after the injury and time off, but I would not be surprised at all if they felt more comfortable with him playing on the bottom pair if they are both healthy.

Either way though, I think Kylington is contributing to improve and be a reasonable option if Valimaki struggles to get his game back where it was pre injury.