If by pis$ all you mean it's not going to actually change the result, then you're right.
But Trump's game here is clearly to just keep fighting so he can keep raking in the dough. If he takes in another couple hundred million by then, it's all worth it as far he's concerned.
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Every single one of these people who hitched their wagon to Trump and sold their souls are truly despicable human beings. Karma will eventually come for all of them, I'm sure of it.
The one chance for balance to be restored to the universe and to wipe the slate clean was most of them getting COVID and the potential consequences that often follow. Sadly even that was disappointing.
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Trumps attempts on Jan 6th won't work.
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For another thing, Brooks will very probably get the support he needs to at least briefly disrupt the acceptance of the electoral votes from key states. Under the Electoral Count Act of 1887, challenges of the sort that the representative proposes must be submitted in writing and signed by at least one member of the House and Senate. Along with his cadre of House colleagues, Brooks has likely allies in the Senate, where two Republicans—Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Rand Paul of Kentucky—have already indicated that they are open to backing up this political skulduggery.
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If the objection is recognized—in a process presided over by Vice President Mike Pence—the House and the Senate will each debate the issue and then vote on whether to accept it. This is where the Brooks scheme falls apart. The Democratic majority in the House will reject the objection, and it is likely that the Republican-controlled Senate will do the same, as several GOP members (including Utah’s Mitt Romney, Maine’s Susan Collins, and Nebraska’s Ben Sasse) have been bluntly critical of Trump’s efforts to overturn Biden’s victory.
To me it isn't about whether any of these things will actually work. I think we have seen with the failure of legitimate avenues that even with conservative judges and conservative statehouses, that the systems have held and legitimacy has prevailed. So I am no longer anxious about the procedures that Trumps team is coming up with.
However, I do have growing anxiety that these continued efforts give Trump supporters enough validation that they honestly might try something. I worry that there will be legitimate armed unrest. I worry that because the normal white supremacist protestors and the police/military often have quite a bit of overlap, that if there is armed violence, it may not be quelled. And then all of a sudden we have the military supporting a coup.
It may still seem like far fetched fantasy to most, but I honestly am worried about it. I honestly am worried that as a liberal in the middle of red 'murica, that my families safety might be in jeopardy. People always comment along the lines of 'lets see how those militia people do against an Abrahams tank' but what happens when the militia people are driving the tank????
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This individual is not affluent and more of a member of that shrinking middle class. It is likely the individual does not have a high paying job, is limited on benefits, and has to make due with those benefits provided by employer.
However, I do have growing anxiety that these continued efforts give Trump supporters enough validation that they honestly might try something. I worry that there will be legitimate armed unrest. I worry that because the normal white supremacist protestors and the police/military often have quite a bit of overlap, that if there is armed violence, it may not be quelled. And then all of a sudden we have the military supporting a coup.
Repectfully, this sort of thing has been posted a number of times. It’s not going to happen. The most you’ll ever see is isolated criminal acts like the abduction fantasy in Michigan, or the small protest marches by the Fox indoctrinated crowd.
The militia people are so stupid they couldn’t find their asses with both hands let alone plan an uprising.
The protesters trend Boomer, hillbilly, and toothless (literally and figuratively). They can’t even logistically figure out “masks = good”. They aren’t going to be rolling up in your town to take over like Red Dawn.
Finally, most Americans are more concerned with NFL Sunday, Baby Yoda, and their latest Amazon order arrival delay than with politics. The election was last month’s news. No one gives a shart anymore.
Plus, we’re lazy and its cold outside.
Noise on social media? Sure. Reality? Nah.
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I respectfully disagree. I see and hear from these people on a daily basis. Many of them passionately believe the election was a farce and it is their patriotic duty to stop things.
My worry isn't that the Trumpers are some super organized military force, it is that if they do start stuff and police/national guard are sent in, will the law enforcement folks actually arrest their friends/family that are the ones causing unrest? We saw it on the micro scale with Kyle Rittenhouse. We have seen it at protests where police coordinated with proud boys so they wouldn't have to confront them.
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I respectfully disagree. I see and hear from these people on a daily basis. Many of them passionately believe the election was a farce and it is their patriotic duty to stop things.
My worry isn't that the Trumpers are some super organized military force, it is that if they do start stuff and police/national guard are sent in, will the law enforcement folks actually arrest their friends/family that are the ones causing unrest? We saw it on the micro scale with Kyle Rittenhouse. We have seen it at protests where police coordinated with proud boys so they wouldn't have to confront them.
While it is remote, I agree there is a small chance of this happening on a "larger" scale than a few yahoos or proud boys running around.
However, for the military and/or police to switch sides you need significant high level involvement and/or favoured sentiment. At the end of the day the police/military joined to uphold the law. If their captain gives the order they will do what they are told for the most part. If the Floyd riots showed us anything it is that Blue Rage does not see colour and everyone in front of them is a legitimate target. When you have armed insurrectionists? I think that is an easy sell to put down.
Also, the State Police would be involved early and often, then the national guard, then the actual military. The force in the USA is very de-centralized. You may get a podunk police department that flips but when the state police show up, who are not from the area, things will change very fast. Even if you get a lone militia member in a tank that is serving and decides to go awal in an Abrams, the army is quite well equipped to blow it up, easily. I also think as you ascend the ranks in the military you are smarter, infinitely more educated and see you mission as protecting the constitution itself. You need to see evidence. There is none.
I think these types of scenarios are far more likely in a small country, with a concentrated military/security force and the leaders actually intend to take power. Sheriff Goober may have illusions that if see supports the Proud Boys he will be Number 46 instead but that is borderline psycohotic, not an actual plan.
It may get ugly and there may be violence but the USA is too big with too many levers of power for anything to gain traction.
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I am expecting Edward Snowden to get pardoned because he was a whistle blower on the Obama administration. I think that I could actually support that one.
Hard to say though. There are a lot of Republicans against it. It's an issue that actually seems to break partisan divisions.
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Trump’s late night video drop attacking the relief bill that was passed and demanding 2k per person instead of the ridiculously low $600 is odd. It was his people negotiating what they came up with. I’m sure he thinks the goodwill may help him hold on to power? I dunno, but give me my 2k now. AOC and Tlaib have already discussed how they have the amendment written. As long as schemer doesn’t democrat this up we may get a little bit of useful help for once
I respectfully disagree. I see and hear from these people on a daily basis. Many of them passionately believe the election was a farce and it is their patriotic duty to stop things.
My worry isn't that the Trumpers are some super organized military force, it is that if they do start stuff and police/national guard are sent in, will the law enforcement folks actually arrest their friends/family that are the ones causing unrest? We saw it on the micro scale with Kyle Rittenhouse. We have seen it at protests where police coordinated with proud boys so they wouldn't have to confront them.
Posted this a while ago in this thread, but in case you missed it
US has crossed 3 million TOTAL deaths in 2020. Expected deaths for the population demographics etc was about 2.5 million. There is one new significant disease in town. That tells you how underreported COVID deaths actually are. It’s not the 330k that would normally see 2021 and beyond but about 400-500k and counting.
Actual deaths vs expected deaths is how this needs to be talked about but it rarely is. That is the true impact of the disease that is much harder for deniers to ignore.
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