Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Good for all parties that starvation is not being used as a tactic, and that civilians are getting proper food during this conflict.

Wow. Have you no self respect? You're now denying mass starvation?

A new low of genocide denial. There's no starvation happening. CNN, the world's press and ALL the relief organizations are just making it up.

Children are dying of starvation in their parents’ arms as famine spreads through Gaza

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/middl...ntl/index.html

Nearly all of Gaza’s population is struggling with food shortages and hunger, and half a million people are now facing starvation, a new report by independent experts says.

The report by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or I.P.C., says in order to buy food, more than half of households in Gaza have had to exchange clothes and other goods for money. A third have resorted to picking up trash to sell. The report says many in Gaza go entire days and nights without eating.

The analysis was conducted by 35 experts, some from U.N. agencies and major aid groups. The I.P.C. was founded two decades ago to address famine in Somalia at the time.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-a...ger-war-israel

The world. The people of Gaza are starving.

Doctorfever. Nothing to see here. "Civilians are getting proper food" It must be true because when the NP links a study that takes you to the Jerusalem Post.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Wow. Have you no self respect? You're now denying mass starvation?

A new low of genocide denial. There's no starvation happening. CNN, the world's press and ALL the relief organizations are just making it up.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/middl...ntl/index.html


https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-a...ger-war-israel

The world. The people of Gaza are starving.

Doctorfever. Nothing to see here. "Civilians are getting proper food" It must be true because when the NP links a study that takes you to the Jerusalem Post.

I didn’t know it linked to the Jerusalem post. Must have missed that.


Also, Doctorfever isn’t saying anything other than he is glad there is no starvation. The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) is telling us that there is no starvation.

I am quite happy there is no starvation, I mean, is t that a good thing?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Also, Doctorfever isn’t saying anything other than he is glad there is no starvation. The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) is telling us that there is no starvation.

You stated that "Civilians are getting proper food".

You've just now stated that you are "glad there is no starvation".

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

You stated that "Civilians are getting proper food".

You've just now stated that you are "glad there is no starvation".

I am glad there is no starvation.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I am glad there is no starvation.

Your sick denial is noted.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I didn’t know it linked to the Jerusalem post. Must have missed that.


Also, Doctorfever isn’t saying anything other than he is glad there is no starvation. The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) is telling us that there is no starvation.

I am quite happy there is no starvation, I mean, is t that a good thing?

The IPC is actually saying there is starvation:

While the whole territory is classified in Emergency (IPC Phase 4),
over 495,000 people (22 percent of the population) are still facing
catastrophic levels of acute food insecurity (IPC Phase 5). In this
phase, households experience an extreme lack of food, starvation,
and exhaustion of coping capacities. Another 745,000 people (33
percent) are classified in Emergency (IPC Phase 4).

It’s weird to just keep repeating “I am glad there is no starvation” while citing a study you obviously didn’t even bother to read at all.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The IPC is actually saying there is starvation:



It’s weird to just keep repeating “I am glad there is no starvation” while citing a study you obviously didn’t even bother to read at all.

Why would I read it when I can get you to read it for me!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Why would I read it when I can get you to read it for me!

Great point. You should try that with posting, too.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Sickening what Israel is doing to the water plants and water wells. Gazans now forced to drink dirty water along with being starved.

Disgusting terrorist state.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Why would I read it when I can get you to read it for me!

Did you even bother to click on the link I left last night? Probably not, so I guess I've got to hold it directly in front of your eyes, and even then, I have my doubts you will SEE it.



https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/us...l_Snapshot.pdf





See those sections of deep red in the doughnuts? That's the percentage in CATASTROPHE. 95% are at crisis or worse. Read the caption. Now stop doing ####ing victory laps. Unreal the extent people will go with fingers in their ears once they read the one little bit they want to see.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Did you even bother to click on the link I left last night? Probably not, so I guess I've got to hold it directly in front of your eyes, and even then, I have my doubts you will SEE it.



https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/us...l_Snapshot.pdf





See those sections of deep red in the doughnuts? That's the percentage in CATASTROPHE. 95% are at crisis or worse. Read the caption. Now stop doing ####ing victory laps. Unreal the extent people will go with fingers in their ears once they read the one little bit they want to see.

Not doing victory laps. lol.

Genuinely happy that there are efforts to help the civilians in Gaza.

From the article;

.“After months of hearing that Israel was blocking the delivery of sufficient aid to Gaza, we now see that Israeli authorities facilitated a massive increase in shipments of both aid and commercial goods, alleviating shortages in Gaza while Israeli forces continued to prosecute the war against Hamas,” Adesnik said in an email to National Post. “This is a decisive rebuke to malicious claims that Israel was using starvation as a weapon of war against the people of Gaza.”

[Zary's-Mustache]

That's a pretty big step from "no starvation" while we literally watch kids pick through garbage dumps to find food and drink polluted rain water.

Israel is so damn moral!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Not doing victory laps. lol.

Genuinely happy that there are efforts to help the civilians in Gaza.

From the article;

The article, and specifically Adesnik, has already been corrected/debunked by showing you the actual report.

Why are you still quoting it?

Adesnik is with the FDD, a pro-military, anti-Muslim far right think tank that’s been trying to lobby the US into a war with Iran for years.

[Fuzz]

Ya, but it makes him happy to hear that, so it's what he's gonna hear, because happy is good.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why are you still quoting it?

Because it is who he is.

He doesn't care nor is interested in the truth. He is perfectly fine with promoting any narrative that allows the starvation of a whole population to continue.

Not dissimilar to a Holocaust denier.

[activeStick]

The expansion continues...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...989de8d6eaf0f8

Israel’s aggressive expansion in the West Bank reflects the settler community’s strong influence in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most religious and nationalist in the country’s history. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a settler himself, has turbocharged the policy of expansion, seizing new authorities over settlement development and saying he aims to solidify Israel’s hold on the territory and prevent the creation of a Palestinian state.

Authorities recently approved the appropriation of 12.7 square kilometers (nearly 5 square miles) of land in the Jordan Valley, according to a copy of the order obtained by The Associated Press. Data from Peace Now, the tracking group, indicate it was the largest single appropriation approved since the 1993 Oslo accords at the start of the peace process.

[Doctorfever]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0vewvp14zdo

Open criticism of Hamas has been growing in Gaza, both on the streets and online.
Some have publicly criticised Hamas for hiding the hostages in apartments near a busy marketplace, or for firing rockets from civilian areas.
Residents have told the BBC that swearing and cursing against the Hamas leadership is now common in the markets, and that some drivers of donkey carts have even nicknamed their animals after the Hamas leader in Gaza - Yahya Sinwar - urging the donkeys forward with shouts of "Yallah, Sinwar!"
“People say things like, ‘Hamas has destroyed us’ or even call on God to take their lives,” one man said.

Ameen Abed, a political activist, said he had been arrested many times for speaking out against Hamas before the war, but said - nine months on - dissent was becoming more common there.
“In Gaza, most people criticise what Hamas has done,” he said.

Fear of criticising Gaza’s leaders might have lessened, but it hasn’t gone, so it is still hard to accurately gauge, beyond individual testimony, how far support for the group is shifting.
Some, like 26-year-old Jihad Talab, still strongly support Hamas.
Displaced from the Zeitoun area of Gaza City with his wife, daughter and mother, and now sheltering in Deir al Balah, he said the group was not responsible for their suffering.
“We must support [Hamas] because it’s the one working on the ground, the one who understands the battle - not you or I,” he said. “Empty accusations only serve the Occupation [Israel]. We’ll support it until our last breath.”

A regular poll carried out by a West Bank-based think tank, the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research, claims that most people in Gaza still blame Israel and its allies for the war, rather than Hamas.
The latest survey in June said that almost two-thirds of Gazan respondents were satisfied with Hamas - a rise of 12 points from December - and suggested that just around half would still prefer Hamas to run Gaza after the war ends, over any other option.

Glimpses through chinks in the media blockade around Gaza can never give a full assessment of the situation. International journalists are barred by Israel and Egypt from reporting on the situation there first-hand.
What is clear is that Hamas remains very sensitive to public opinion.
Strikingly similar messages regularly appear on certain social media platforms to justify its actions, often apparently in response to criticism at home.
A source familiar with Hamas told the BBC there was an organised international network to co-ordinate social media messaging for the group.

Criticism of Hamas is growing sharper, and long-buried divisions over Hamas rule in Gaza are becoming clear.
Out of the destruction left by Israel’s battle with Hamas, a new war is emerging: a battle for control of public opinion within Gaza itself.

Support for Hamas appears to be eroding in Gaza. The civilians are the ones paying the price for what Hamas and Israel have done on Oct 7th up until now.

Even with misinformation being spread around Gaza, the civilian support for Hamas seems to be weakening, which is a good thing in my opinion.

After this battle ends, and hopefully Hamas is eliminated, hopefully there can be a peace treaty between Gaza and Israel that give the people of Gaza some hope and a brighter future that what they are currently facing.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Hamas will never be eliminated. You can't kill an idea. You can't kill the hatred of Israel for all the killing of innocent Palestinian women and children.

Hamas or whatever name will come next in the future will always exist if Israel thinks it can win with death and destruction. The fathers and sons of the dead will never forget.

As soon as israel realizes this the faster they will get to peace

[Doctorfever]

Hamas or the idea of Hamas doesn’t want anything to do with peace.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Hamas or the idea of Hamas doesn’t want anything to do with peace.

Until Palestine rejects Hamas there will be no peace no matter what Israel does.