Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[TheIronMaiden]

I was laughing when he was ranting about how you couldn't win a fight with a stapler unless you used it to hit a guy over the head.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I know he is disliked by many. But jimcornette's review of the page and swerve match is a hilarious meltdown.

Like him or not he's often dead on what's right/wrong with the business, whether it be AEW or WWE. Khan was right to try and hire him when the company first started. Cornette has a better mind for the business than most. If he was wrong AEW would be picking up business year over year, not losing it.

[Ozy_Flame]

Jim Cornette is hilarious in his own box. This is a guy who said Orange Cassidy will be the death of wrestling, and the guy does nothing but make money for Tony Khan.

I'm sure Jim would love some of that Orange money right about now.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Jim Cornette is hilarious in his own box. This is a guy who said Orange Cassidy will be the death of wrestling, and the guy does nothing but make money for Tony Khan.

I'm sure Jim would love some of that Orange money right about now.

All I know is when Orange Cassidy is on TV I change the channel. That guy is awful.

I remember he was doing color commentary for a Zac Sabre Junior Match on Dynamite before their Forbidden Door match.

OC was doing his mumbling and grunting thing and he was like "I don't know what that move is" and then he ####ing lost in the PPV! Way to bury yourself. Might as well go on there and say you are going to lose because he does stuff you've never heard of.

In Shoot it was awful because you had no idea what he was saying and it didn't explain what was happening and in Kayfabe it made him look like a stupid idiot who knew nothing and then lost because of it!

OC's gimmick is stupid like Nicky Cross scaring people by crawling all funny is stupid. It make they people the wrestle have to behave like dummies for it to work.

[SuperMatt18]

See it's funny because that's where people differ.

I love OC's gimmick of kind of not caring and being very non-chalant, but then actually being able to turn it up and be a really good wrestler when he needs to.

Kind of like sandbagging and then surprising you.

But I also firmly believe Wrestling should always be a mix of serious competition, and just absolutely ridiculous gimmicks and cheesy gimmicks.

I don't mind stuff like Orange Cassidy or The Wyatt Sicks that other people might find cheesy, part of the fun of wrestling is it being cheesy.

[Ozy_Flame]

OC was perfect because no one else was doing it. Unique. Jim just can't handle the non old-school stuff.

When Sting did the bit with OC, it demonstrated that even the old timers can change with the times and understand the business evolves. Jim refuses to get out of the 1980's.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

OC was perfect because no one else was doing it. Unique. Jim just can't handle the non old-school stuff.

When Sting did the bit with OC, it demonstrated that even the old timers can change with the times and understand the business evolves. Jim refuses to get out of the 1980's.

Thing is though this Swerve/Hangman criticism is a very different bucket to me.

It's one thing to dislike a gimmick or talk about "Ruining the Business"...honestly that's stuffs dead and gone. There is nothing worse about Orange Cassidy's gimmick than there was about some stuff back in the old school days.

But this criticism is very much stuff that Cornette, Punk, Bret Hart, Lance Storm, and many others have criticized which is working safe and working smart.

I think the stuff like the staple gun or needle he's probably wrong about. That's no real more risky or painful than when guys used to blade to get colour. And there are lots of "wrestling" things that can relate to "why let a guy staple you with a staple gun" in wrestling.

But I do think there are some things like the cinder blocks, and some of the other more dangerous maneuvers that guys across all organizations need to start being more careful about. And that goes for WWE and AEW both for that matter.

It's not something that causes a long term issue for somebody...until it does...and then at that point it's too late. And I know that's part of wrestling in general, really any move can leave you paralyzed at any time, but honestly no need to take even more incremental risks on top of the stuff you're doing that's already risky.

[Ozy_Flame]

There's been lots of dangerous maneuvers in wrestling. If Swerve and Hangman want to pull one off in a match, I'm sure they both consented to it and practiced the spot prior. Tony doesn't make them do dangerous spots they don't want to do. I'm not even talking about guys like Darby Allin who take much risker bumps on the regular.

You have to remember, Swerve was a hardcore wrestler in his earlier years. This stuff isn't new to him. His stuff in CZW for the better part of a decade was bloody and brutal. He knows how to handle hardcore stuff.

I'd like to know what Cornette thinks of Abdullah the Butcher and Brusier Brody matches, or Terry Funk matches, or Sheik matches, because those are some of the most classic battles in wrestling history and they were violent as hell.

And it's weird to get concerned about weapons in wrestling when countless injuries and career-ending mistakes have happened without them. Hayabusa, Droz, Magnum TA and Bret Hart come to mind.

Just like WWE used to say, "don't try this at home". Swerve and Hangman are professionals. It's their game, let them play it, especially if they're good at it. They know the risks.

[trackercowe]

I enjoyed Cassidy's gimmick at first as well. I actually showed it to a few friends, and it was a new "fresh" approach by AEW. Yet it obviously has a limited appeal. He's basically done the same thing since day one and there's been no evolution of the character. He's poor on the mic and will always remain as a midcarder.

Cassidy has been thrown back into a repeat feud with Jericho, because they've run out of opponents to book. Meanwhile Muffin Top Taylor is retired, and Baretta (who has some talent) is yet another irrelevant talent on the roster. Another example of how AEW fails at getting most of their talent over... Does anyone remember when Santana and Ortiz were the hottest team in AEW? Countless missed opportunities because Khan can't book.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Just like WWE used to say, "don't try this at home". Swerve and Hangman are professionals. It's their game, let them play it, especially if they're good at it. They know the risks.

Oh they can do whatever they want.

And I'll say it's stupid and unnecessary. Just like a lot of the stupid risky stuff you see in CZW, or even some of the stupid stuff you see in WWE at times. (Can't remember who did the stupid piledriver on to the ladder that time that I also didn't like.)

You're right in they are great wrestlers though, and they are so good at it they actually don't need to take these unnecessary risks that could end up hurting them and shortening their careers.

Maybe as a fan I should just enjoy it and not care - but I don't want to see guys getting crippled in the ring.

[CaptainCrunch]

I've always wondered who taught these wrestlers to do these super high risk moves all the time.

I mean, it would be really stupid if Mick Foley was thrown off of the jumbo tron on every Raw. Its the same with bleeding.


When I read Have a nice day, its almost like he had a late career epiphany.

When he was in Texas doing the house show route, he was always dropping that elbow on his opponent on the floor and landing on his hip. So one day his opponent came up to him and said "Hey Jacko, we going to do that big elbow again tonight", and Mick told him that his hip was hurting, and the veteran told him that it wasn't a big crowd tonight and its not like they were getting paid alot so it was a good idea not to do it.

In Heath McCoy's awesome book on Stampede Wrestling, he talked about when Bruce Hart was booking the territory, and every night there was blood, and ball shots, and eventually it did burn out the territory. In the 70's and 80's Stu would bring in people like Abdullah the Butcher and other no talent gore specialists, but he was always careful to only have them there for a short time because initially they would draw, but their gore every night act would burn out the audiences.

I'm of the mindset, that unless its a super important match to build a PPV, or a PPV where your expecting a ton of money to blow off the feud, why do it, eventually those big extreme moves or blades just become a meh moment.

Its like sex as described by Jake Roberts in an interview. He was having a lot of it on the road, and it kept getting more and more extreme, because it started getting boring. If you keep doing blood and dangerous spots, the fans stop being thrilled by what your doing and want more and more extreme stuff.

Also even if you are the super duper extreme, backyard, smashing light tubes and stabbing your self if the head with chop sticks while taking a bump off of a barbed wire board laced with explosion specialist. If you do it a lot, people stop giving a crap that your putting your life at risk. All it takes is one momentary lapse of concentration, and you go from being a wrestler to a wheel chair bound person or worse. And the fans start watching you, not because they care, but because they actually want to see you get hurt.

Look at J T Smith in ECW when he was with the Full Blooded Italians. He used to do dives off the top rope to the outside, and one night he screwed it up, and landed on his head and knocked himself silly and bloody, and the fans invented the "You F'd up chant". And when he tried to stop doing the dangerous dives, the fans literally boo'd him.

[rubecube]

This is laughably bad. Looks like something I would doodle on a desk in grade 8.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1834649039469437061

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah that's pretty bad.

Smack Sown!

Edit: The full horizontal logo isn't as bad but the stacked vertical one is terrible.

Edit 2: Not watching but saw it on Twitter and to me looked like Cody might have hurt Solo with that cross body off the cage and gave him a concussion.

Would be the second guy injured this year after somebody jumped off a cage in a match.(Edge)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah that's pretty bad.

Smack Sown!

Edit: The full horizontal logo isn't as bad but the stacked vertical one is terrible.

Edit 2: Not watching but saw it on Twitter and to me looked like Cody might have hurt Solo with that cross body off the cage and gave him a concussion.

Would be the second guy injured this year after somebody jumped off a cage in a match.(Edge)

Yeah, when I saw that I thought his head bounced off the mat and he was clutching the back of his head.

[CaptainCrunch]

Whats a smack sown? Is it some kind of pig?

[TheIronMaiden]

If you missed it WWE has the full Cody Solo match on yt.

[albertGQ]

Looks like WWE is going back to the 10-15 minute overruns. I always watch Raw and Smackdown on PVR so had to go to Youtube to catch the ending where Cody was speaking and where they both signed the contract.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Looks like WWE is going back to the 10-15 minute overruns. I always watch Raw and Smackdown on PVR so had to go to Youtube to catch the ending where Cody was speaking and where they both signed the contract.

Yeah, with USA they no longer have to worry about staying on schedule like FOX so they can go over as long as they have to now.

[trackercowe]

I love the booking of Roman... they literally don't have to change anything about his gimmick and he's massively over with the crowd. Roman acted in the same aloof manner towards Cody last night, and the audience ate it up. I can't wait for Heyman to return in a few weeks, I popped when he reached out for Aldis to hand him the mic.

I think Roman should be on that Mount Rushmore of wrestling figures. Cena is right on the mark when you could debate he's the best of all time. There is no one at Roman's level. Cena had Orton, Batista, Brock, Punk... Austin had Rock... Everyone in wrestling today is out of Roman's league. They tried passing the torch to Cody, as good as Rhodes is he is not in Roman's league.

[Muta]

So... Joe Hendry's theme was just played at the Flames/Canucks YoungStars game.

The music guy in Penticton MUST be a hardcore wrestling fan to bust that one out haha.