October 6 - So it Begins - The Alberta Teacher Strike

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Okay.

You support a less charismatic version of a pedophile.

Cool story bro

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by CFO

I agree with this.

Call a spade a spade.

Ok, the UCP are corrupt buffoons. They never even intended to negotiate, the ATA brought a proposal and the government said no period. They did not try to counter-offer, did not make their own modified offer and legislated the previous offer that was rejected using the nuclear option.


I'm a centre-right voter and I voted PC for years. This is beyond the pale.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by getbak

There should be recall petitions against every MLA who votes for this on the go tomorrow.

https://www.elections.ab.ca/recall-i...ecall-process/

So this is the list of Calgary MLAs that we should realistically start working to recall:

• Demetrios Nicolaides (Calgary-Bow) - Won by 385 votes - Recall started
• Mickey Amery (Calgary-Cross) - Won by 518 votes
• Peter Singh (Calgary-East) - Won by 701 votes
• Myles McDougall (Calgary-Fish Creek) - Won by 2,497 votes
• Ric McIver (Calgary-Hays) - Won by 2,819 votes
• Eric Bouchard (Calgary-Lougheed) - Won by 2,769 votes
• Muhammad Yaseen (Calgary-North) - Won by 113 votes
• Rajan Sawhney (Calgary-North West) - Won by 149 votes
• Tanya Fir (Calgary-Peigan) - Won by 2,789 votes
• Rebecca Schulz (Calgary-Shaw) - Won by 3,362 votes
• Matt Jones (Calgary-South East) - Won by 4,681 votes
• Mike Ellis (Calgary-West) - Won by 3,337 votes

If Calgary could recall all of these MLAs it would flip the government. It would be a very difficult task but if there was ever a time to take drastic action... this would be it.

But really, with 47 UCP vs. 38 NDP and 2 AP, you only really need to flip 5 seats to bring the UCP down to 42 and the NDP up to 43. I bolded the 5 we should target.

[The Big Chill]

I don’t see why we should recall in this situation, this gov’t is acting exactly as they said they’d act.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Wolven

So this is the list of Calgary MLAs that we should realistically start working to recall:

• Demetrios Nicolaides (Calgary-Bow) - Won by 385 votes - Recall started
• Mickey Amery (Calgary-Cross) - Won by 518 votes
• Peter Singh (Calgary-East) - Won by 701 votes
• Myles McDougall (Calgary-Fish Creek) - Won by 2,497 votes
• Ric McIver (Calgary-Hays) - Won by 2,819 votes
• Eric Bouchard (Calgary-Lougheed) - Won by 2,769 votes
• Muhammad Yaseen (Calgary-North) - Won by 113 votes
• Rajan Sawhney (Calgary-North West) - Won by 149 votes
• Tanya Fir (Calgary-Peigan) - Won by 2,789 votes
• Rebecca Schulz (Calgary-Shaw) - Won by 3,362 votes
• Matt Jones (Calgary-South East) - Won by 4,681 votes
• Mike Ellis (Calgary-West) - Won by 3,337 votes

If Calgary could recall all of these MLAs it would flip the government. It would be a very difficult task but if there was ever a time to take drastic action... this would be it.

But really, with 47 UCP vs. 38 NDP and 2 AP, you only really need to flip 5 seats to bring the UCP down to 42 and the NDP up to 43. I bolded the 5 we should target.

There is already an approved recall petition for Nicolaides and I believe someone has undertaken getting one going for Sawhney.

[topfiverecords]

#### ing townies.

[Cycling76er]

Just read the details of this Bill 2 BS. Good ####ing lord is it ever heavy handed. Completely neuters the ability to strike and imposes some really heavy fines for non-compliance.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

So basically the kids who are currently getting differentiated special needs education at Janus, Calgary Academy, and First Third should have their educations sacrificed for politicsl reasons?

Because there's no way the current system can support those kids, and even if you doubled funding tomorrow to cbe it would take time to improve access.

But you're right - taking away the 70% of total per-kid funding that middle class parents get for their autistic kids would piss off those parents, so that's a win. Too bad about those special needs kids that have to go under the bus but sacrifices have to be made right?

Alberta's per-child funding used to be the highest in Canada. We should go back to that, it would fix this.

Dude you’ve lost the plot here. No one’s(or at least I’m not) suggesting taking away parents’ right to provide better educational options for their kids if they can afford it. In the case of private education though it is taking funding from the public system that would help significantly more kids with special needs. If hypothetically there were say 1000 special needs students in private education versus 20k in the public system, the money taken out of private school funding overall(from both the parents of kids with special needs and without) would provide an influx into the public system that would benefit way more kids who have no other options.

Maybe the parents of half of those special needs kids in private school wouldn’t be able to afford the private option anymore but the public option would be improved. The influx would be more than enough money to fund specials needs specific schools that all of those parents wouldn’t have to pay out of pocket for. You’re a good dude(your opinion on unions aside ) and I know this isn’t your intention but I really feel that the special needs students argument is exploiting the struggles kids with special needs and their parent face to defend funding(subsidizing) private schools for the parents of kids without special needs and/or to pump up the profits for private schools.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Just read the details of this Bill 2 BS. Good ####ing lord is it ever heavy handed. Completely neuters the ability to strike and imposes some really heavy fines for non-compliance.

I would think that there would be decent mobility for teachers to go to other provinces. Might there be a drain of talent from Alberta?

[PaperBagger'14]

I’m on the conservative side of center but the notwithstanding clause is a massive overstep that should be looked down on by all Albertans. It is an absolutely scummy move to shoehorn a voted down deal into place and have it safeguarded from the courts by the notwithstanding clause. What a gross misuse of power.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

I would think that there would be decent mobility for teachers to go to other provinces. Might there be a drain of talent from Alberta?

I’m already reading certification requirements for teaching in BC.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

Thanks but I genuinely mean it. I get that it’s an emotional moment but the truth is teachers should not be allowed to strike during the school year. Not only is it unfair to kids and their families, it is also used far too often as just a political push.

Every 25 years? Lol ok then. Way to present an informed opinion. At least it's not emotional!

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

Thanks but I genuinely mean it. I get that it’s an emotional moment but the truth is teachers should not be allowed to strike during the school year. Not only is it unfair to kids and their families, it is also used far too often as just a political push.

You're a ####ing idiot.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I’m already reading certification requirements for teaching in BC.

If you need a hand - I can recommend some good movers

[calgarybornnraised]

Originally Posted by CFO

If you need a hand - I can recommend some good movers

Yup! Who needs those good income, tax paying educated educators in this Province anyways. Let’s Keep Alberta Stupid!! 🤪

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

Thanks but I genuinely mean it. I get that it’s an emotional moment but the truth is teachers should not be allowed to strike during the school year. Not only is it unfair to kids and their families, it is also used far too often as just a political push.

So there was a way for the government to do this without invoking the notwithstanding clause. They could have legislated them back to work arguing that they are an essential service.

Instead they imposed the contract on them and suspended their freedoms of association, speech, assembly and other rights that you are likely in favour of. This is a gross over step of fundamental principles of democracy.

So your position of teachers shouldn’t be able to strike in the school year because they are an essential service is reasonable, however supporting the government suspending basic human rights to enforce this opinion is ridiculous

This government just chose to suspend the charter of rights and freedoms for the most banal of reasons.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I’m already reading certification requirements for teaching in BC.

Why there over the two places which have the higher wages and lower living costs of Manitoba and Saskatchewan?

Everywhere in B.C. that's not Prince George has higher housing costs, teachers there make less than they do in Alberta before this deal would up that gap.

Really Manitoba looks to be the place where you would be treated best.

[BagoPucks]

Maybe I am in the minority, but I feel like the leadership in the ATA has failed it's members- the teachers. Everybody is losing with this strike. I would be beyond angry as it has turned into a joke. Leadership is about finding solutions without hurting it's followers. Essentially, by arriving at a strike, they have said they have failed in leadership and communication. Tell me what's wrong with this perspective.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Yup! Who needs those good income, tax paying educated educators in this Province anyways. Let’s Keep Alberta Stupid!! 🤪

If you provide a decent education these kids will become NDP voters.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Why there over the two places which have the higher wages and lower living costs of Manitoba and Saskatchewan?

Everywhere in B.C. that's not Prince George has higher housing costs, teachers there make less than they do in Alberta before this deal would up that gap.

Really Manitoba looks to be the place where you would be treated best.

Ya, but you'd have to live in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. Have you been to either?