[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Buffalo one isn't bad, Krebs is a stud for sure and he will be a bonafide top 6 forward, maybe as soon as next season (IMO).

Hanifin is enormously overrated on CP, too. He's pretty average if you ask me.

I like Krebs and would be very happy to add him but how is he a stud and a bonafide top 6 forward with a career high of 26 points and Hanifin is average?

Edit: And with all that the Buffalo proposal is the one that is closest to getting fair value. It wouldn't be my ideal return but it wouldn't be terrible either. So probably a fair offer

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I like Krebs and would be very happy to add him but how is he a stud and a bonafide top 6 forward with a career high of 26 points and Hanifin is average?

Edit: And with all that the Buffalo proposal is the one that is closest to getting fair value. It wouldn't be my ideal return but it wouldn't be terrible either. So probably a fair offer

I am not sure about that. Krebs was a 17th overall pick 4 years ago and has been decent but nothing suggests his value has increased. A legit top pairing, all-situations D, with 86pts in the last 2 years has helped Hanifin raise his profile. Size and skating is top notch as well.

An unproven 22 year old vs a proven 26 year old. The difference is not 3 spots in the draft in the teens. If this was going 5 to 2 or 8 to 5 then I see it but not 16 to 13. I think the better deal would be:

Krebs+13 for Hanifin+48
Or
Krebs+13+39+45 for Hanifin+16+48

[Ashes]

Yeah those trade proposals from JMac are eye-popping, there's no way Conroy is giving up our 1st this year AND Hanifin just to move up 2-3 spots in the draft and take back Forwards who put up less points than Hanifin.

If the deal can be structured around adding another 1st and a prospect like Tomasino or Krebs then I think we have a solid framework for a deal, maybe at that point the Flames look to add slightly.

I feel like a more realistic option is that Hanifin ends up in Detroit, and we end up with the 17th overall pick and maybe Zadina or another prospect, which still Leaves Detroit with their 7th overall pick and gets them another stud prospect. Also that would give the Flames two picks in a row 16/17 which we could use to draft a Defenseman and a Center (in a perfect world, Pellikka/Willander and Yager) or whoever else has dropped lower than expected.

[Jason14h]

You can get more for Hanifin at the deadline then those deals.

A late first + mid prospects is worth more then moving up 1-3 spots in the middle of the first round and taking salary dumps

Moving up 1 spot in the draft? this isn't NFL with teams competing for certain positions that play immediately throughout the first round

Nothing about those trades makes any sense from a Flames perspective. Just lazy.

[HighLifeMan]

The Nashville deal is the only trade worth considering there.

It's pretty evident nobody knows who Parssinen is, but he's a very good young player. Getting both Tomasino and Parssinen would be tolerable for sure.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure about that. Krebs was a 17th overall pick 4 years ago and has been decent but nothing suggests his value has increased. A legit top pairing, all-situations D, with 86pts in the last 2 years has helped Hanifin raise his profile. Size and skating is top notch as well.

An unproven 22 year old vs a proven 26 year old. The difference is not 3 spots in the draft in the teens. If this was going 5 to 2 or 8 to 5 then I see it but not 16 to 13. I think the better deal would be:

Krebs+13 for Hanifin+48
Or
Krebs+13+39+45 for Hanifin+16+48

The difference between the two deals you've suggested is the 16th overall pick for the 39th and 45th....

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

The difference between the two deals you've suggested is the 16th overall pick for the 39th and 45th....

Maybe the first deal favors the Flames too much.

The second deal adds another high second (39) and then move up 3 spots with their own 1st and 2nd which might be more realistic. The deal also opens up $4.1M in cap space which the Flames need and adds a center which could be in need if Lindholm is also dealt.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The Nashville deal is the only trade worth considering there.

It's pretty evident nobody knows who Parssinen is, but he's a very good young player. Getting both Tomasino and Parssinen would be tolerable for sure.

Yeah this one is the farest of the bunch but it doesn't make much sense from nashvilles perspective.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Buffalo one isn't bad, Krebs is a stud for sure and he will be a bonafide top 6 forward, maybe as soon as next season (IMO).

Hanifin is enormously overrated on CP, too. He's pretty average if you ask me.

Based on what? Everything about Krebs seems to point to bust to me.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Krebs+13 for Hanifin+48
Or
Krebs+13+39+45 for Hanifin+16+48

I'd do the first one but not the second.

Moving up 3 spots in the middle of this draft feels pointless. There's so much disagreement in that area.
So essentially you're getting Krebs + 2nd for Hanifin.

Buffalo was playing a loose game so Krebs numbers might be a bit inflated.
Also he wasn't able to move up the chart and got stuck on the 4th line of such a young team?

I'd rather take 13+39 or 45 for Hanifin I think.
Then pick up Danielson/Moore/Yager + Wallinder/ASP in the 1st round and have x2 2nds. All of the sudden the prospect pool looks ALOT brighter

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The Nashville deal is the only trade worth considering there.

It's pretty evident nobody knows who Parssinen is, but he's a very good young player. Getting both Tomasino and Parssinen would be tolerable for sure.

I just know Parssinen was taken 4 picks before Wolf and Tomasino was taken 2 spots before Pelletier. Tomasino Has had pretty meh numbers and Parssinen has done very well for a 7th rounder but still not eye popping. These guys and moving 1 spot in the draft is a fair deal for a former 5th overall pick who has developed into a top pairing D at 26 years old?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Guys, I don't think Julian McKenzie is going to last long as the Flames GM... but seriously, it's just a fun exercise with other beat writers who are being conservative and not wanting to cause a stir like Portzline. I agree though, Hanafin is criminally underrated in all those proposals.

I hear you. But if you are the team's designated "beat reporter", you should be able to offer something in between fan boy in Edmonton and being too conservative.

Those trades are almost bad enough that you just keep Hanifin for the year.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The Nashville deal is the only trade worth considering there.

It's pretty evident nobody knows who Parssinen is, but he's a very good young player. Getting both Tomasino and Parssinen would be tolerable for sure.

Or they know who he is and don't overrate him

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure about that. Krebs was a 17th overall pick 4 years ago and has been decent but nothing suggests his value has increased. A legit top pairing, all-situations D, with 86pts in the last 2 years has helped Hanifin raise his profile. Size and skating is top notch as well.

An unproven 22 year old vs a proven 26 year old. The difference is not 3 spots in the draft in the teens. If this was going 5 to 2 or 8 to 5 then I see it but not 16 to 13. I think the better deal would be:

Krebs+13 for Hanifin+48
Or
Krebs+13+39+45 for Hanifin+16+48

I don't see Hanifin as a legit top pairing so that is where we would probably differ right off the bat.

I don't think either of your deals are off the mark either that is what I would push for if I were the Flames. I am trying to put some objectivity in it and thinking that from a Nashivlle perspective that the deal should make me a little angry not be such a clear win which I think your deals are.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flyers also ate 7.65 mil of cap for 1 year and 5 mil for two. Recent trades have shown that eating 6.5+ mil cap for a single season is worth a late 1st in itself.

So the value of Provorov himself was considerably lower than a 1st and 2 2nds.

The Athletic article was based on discussions with several other NHL correspondents. Which is more likely?

A) Hanifin is worth less than a lot of Flames fans think.

B) Several correspondents in different NHL cities all have a hate-on for the Flames. For reasons.

The offers seem a bit low, but I expect they’re closer to the actual return than a lot of fan proposals being bandied around.

I don't think either of those are true. I just think most of them are terrible trade offers.

In the last year:

Chrychun got a 1st and 2 2nds.
Hronek landed a 1st and a 2nd
Ekholm landed a 1st and a 4th plus Tyson Barrie
Rasmus Sandin landed a 1st round pick
Jake McCabe (and Lafferty) landed a 1st and a 2nd
Orlov (and Hathaway), landed a 1st, 2nd and 3rd plus Craig Smith
Garvrikov (plus Korpisolo) got a 1st and a 2nd

You can say whatever you want about Hanifin, but he slots somewhere among those guys (and you can hold salary on him if you need to)

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Or they know who he is and don't overrate him

Parssinen is a 6"3 versatile c/w that plays a good all around game and paced for 46 points as a rookie. He is a highly valuable piece. Additionally - Tomasino is every bit as skilled as Krebs, and I'd argue we would be buying low after a pedestrian sophomore season.

Hanifin is a very good player, but that trade could be an absolute homerun from our perspective - especially given the circumstances.

Either way - I don't see any reason for Nashville to make that deal considering their roster construction.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I don't see Hanifin as a legit top pairing so that is where we would probably differ right off the bat.

I don't think either of your deals are off the mark either that is what I would push for if I were the Flames. I am trying to put some objectivity in it and thinking that from a Nashivlle perspective that the deal should make me a little angry not be such a clear win which I think your deals are.

Its hard to take you seriously when you are 100% negative on all things Flames

Hanifin is a very good young dman and if traded he will get a return that matches that statement

being negative about everything isn't objectivity

Hanifin will be the best or one of the best dmen on the market...with more teams interested the price will go up

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its hard to take you seriously when you are 100% negative on all things Flames

Hanifin is a very good young dman and if traded he will get a return that matches that statement

being negative about everything isn't objectivity

100% negative on all things Flames? LOL

I just had multiple posts in this thread talking about how bad those deals are and undervalue the Flames player.

It shows how you don't actually read what people post and just create your own little narrative in your head.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think they should ask for Tuch, Krebs and a first.

Seriously - what happenbed to Krebs last year? He went from 7 goals/22 points in 48 games as a rookie to only 9 goals/26 points in 74 games.

Can’t see them parting with tuch. Could see something like midllestat, Krebs and a 2nd for hanafin and vadler. Or something along those lines. I just don’t see flames trading away hanafin or lindholm with getting a low first round pick as the highlight of the return. It’s going to be more of a hockey trade and hopefully get a bit younger

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

100% negative on all things Flames? LOL

I just had multiple posts in this thread talking about how bad those deals are and undervalue the Flames player.

It shows how you don't actually read what people post and just create your own little narrative in your head.

Everyone knows you are a banned former poster

and yes your post history is 95% negative about the Flames

join date April 2023, 4 billion posts

okay guy