Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

His move was an all round unmitigated disaster for him and almost every stakeholder connected to him.

Not really. Sounds like his family is extremely happy about the situation off the ice. As for the Jackets, they are right in the thick of the Bedard sweepstakes and even if they miss out on him they are likely getting an elite forward. They have a top half prospect ranking not counting what they will add this season. I expect about three years into the deal opinions will change especially given the Flames will possibly be hitting a downturn when the Jackets ascend.

[Major Major]

Maybe. Maybe by the time they're ready to be good, he is past his prime. We all know what a disinterested Johnny looks like. Might end up being the fly in the ointment.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Maybe. Maybe by the time they're ready to be good, he is past his prime. We all know what a disinterested Johnny looks like. Might end up being the fly in the ointment.

Johnny will play better outside of the spotlight. Kessel-esque if you ask me.

[activeStick]

Chucky calling Paul Maurice the best coach he's ever had in that Flames TV interview is going to look really dumb if the Panthers miss the playoffs lol.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Chucky calling Paul Maurice the best coach he's ever had in that Flames TV interview is going to look really dumb if the Panthers miss the playoffs lol.

TBH, it looks dumb regardless of Panthers making the playoff or not. He said that essentially taking a jab at Sutter.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

yeah Paul Maurice is not the best coach he's ever had

he wimped out of the best coaching/hockey mentorship he ever had for golf carts and flip flops

chucky sure is always blowing sunshine up rears in front of the cameras

[JohnnyB]

I've never heard Sutter take any shots at Tkachuk since he left. The only comment I can think of him making about Tkachuk was how he felt bad for him sometimes, which sounded like genuine sympathy for whatever he experienced. Have also never heard Sutter make a comment about him as captain material either though, as he did about Monahan.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

was it though?

maybe if he really cared about winning

he secured a 7 year extension at 60~ million and is in reasonable proximity to his family

untimitigated disaster sounds like a stretch

if he was a high achiever I'd call it a flop .. but family and anonymity are at the forefront for him now

he would've done much better here and made more, but end of the day he didn't want it

I was thinking about in a professional capacity.

But yeah, when you put it like that…

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not really. Sounds like his family is extremely happy about the situation off the ice. As for the Jackets, they are right in the thick of the Bedard sweepstakes and even if they miss out on him they are likely getting an elite forward. They have a top half prospect ranking not counting what they will add this season. I expect about three years into the deal opinions will change especially given the Flames will possibly be hitting a downturn when the Jackets ascend.

In three or four years what is Gaudreau though? He already went trough a ton of bad years in Calgary...you would think he would want to be on a good team during his prime.

As for CBJ we shall see...they can't get much worse but I have heard about a lot of teams that are "gonna be good" "something special" over the years, some are and some aren't

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

In three or four years what is Gaudreau though? He already went trough a ton of bad years in Calgary...you would think he would want to be on a good team during his prime.

As for CBJ we shall see...they can't get much worse but I have heard about a lot of teams that are "gonna be good" "something special" over the years, some are and some aren't

The Jackets have a lot of nice prospects though. Aside from their great forward prospects, they have Jiricek, Mateychuk, and Svozil on D. That's two blue-chips and younger version of Ras.

It's reasonable to assume the Jackets will be a force in five years from now because it would take Oiler-levels of ineptitude for none of those players to pan out.

By that point, Gaudreau should still be good enough to be a contributing offensive player on a cup contender. It might cost 2-3 years of playing for a terrible team, but its obvious that Gaudreau didn't care about wasting half his prime years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The Jackets have a lot of nice prospects though. Aside from their great forward prospects, they have Jiricek, Mateychuk, and Svozil on D. That's two blue-chips and younger version of Ras.

It's reasonable to assume the Jackets will be a force in five years from now because it would take Oiler-levels of ineptitude for none of those players to pan out.

By that point, Gaudreau should still be good enough to be a contributing offensive player on a cup contender. It might cost 2-3 years of playing for a terrible team, but its obvious that Gaudreau didn't care about wasting half his prime years.

You expect him to be a top tier player in his 35/36 season?

By all accounts he isn't a guy that has taken his nutrition and training as serious as a lot of driven players. In your 20s and early 30s that might work but it will catch up.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

i've never heard sutter take any shots at tkachuk since he left. The only comment i can think of him making about tkachuk was how he felt bad for him sometimes, which sounded like genuine sympathy for whatever he experienced. Have also never heard sutter make a comment about him as captain material either though, as he did about monahan.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573116640677724160

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Florida messed up big time. You don't blow up a team that had 120 points.

Wrong.

Florida didn't blow it up. They hired the wrong coach.

Jersey really only added Sigenthaler and Vanacek and yet they are a top 3 team in the metro? Those aren't earth shattering moves by any stretch.

The key move was adding Brunette, which was Florida's biggest loss.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, Paul Maurice misses the playoffs more than he makes them

Whalers / Hurricanes - 8.x years, made the playoffs 3 times, missed 5 times (fired mid 9th season)
Leafs - 2 years, no playoffs *
Hurricanes (stint 2) - 3.x years, made playoffs once (fired mid 4th season)
Jets - 9 years, made the playoffs 4 out of 9

* Hurricanes won the Cup during Maurice’s 2 year absence

Why do people keep hiring this guy, besides longevity? Seems pretty average on the whole

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, Paul Maurice misses the playoffs more than he makes them

Whalers / Hurricanes - 8.x years, made the playoffs 3 times, missed 5 times (fired mid 9th season)
Leafs - 2 years, no playoffs *
Hurricanes (stint 2) - 3.x years, made playoffs once (fired mid 4th season)
Jets - 9 years, made the playoffs 4 out of 9

* Hurricanes won the Cup during Maurice’s 2 year absence

Why do people keep hiring this guy, besides longevity? Seems pretty average on the whole

A lot of GM's in this league seem to have a huge blind spot for coaching. Either it's the old boys club "this guy has been around the league and speaks well, I trust that" or the smartest guy in the room "this young guy will be my mark on the league, I'll be the GM that unearthed a talent, nobody's seeing what I see".

Obviously there's tons of good hires as well.

[jayswin]

Maurice fits the old boys club hire. Smooth speaking and good with media, well known in the hockey world. A safe, comfortable hire. Hell, the fact that Florida had to get rid of a coach under extreme controversy may have played into the safe, well respected hire.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573116640677724160

I stand corrected. That's a nice little dig. Not really so much a criticism of Tkachuk as just letting a little air out of his inflated ego/reputation, and a classic Sutteresque manner of letting what's unsaid speak for itself.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

In three or four years what is Gaudreau though? He already went trough a ton of bad years in Calgary...you would think he would want to be on a good team during his prime.

As for CBJ we shall see...they can't get much worse but I have heard about a lot of teams that are "gonna be good" "something special" over the years, some are and some aren't

Huberdeau is the same age as Johnny. If you want to play that game what's he going to be in three or four years? It will be easier for Johnny to play with a lot of young, skilled forwards where he can be complementary compared to Huberdeau that's going to be tasked with carrying the franchise at that age.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Maurice fits the old boys club hire. Smooth speaking and good with media, well known in the hockey world. A safe, comfortable hire. Hell, the fact that Florida had to get rid of a coach under extreme controversy may have played into the safe, well respected hire.

Without a doubt an old boys club hire. In what other league could a .500 head coach quit his team in the middle of the season and get another job that offseason? We aren't talking about a top coach here but a guy that's just been around forever and is part of the NHL furniture.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Wrong.

Florida didn't blow it up. They hired the wrong coach.

Jersey really only added Sigenthaler and Vanacek and yet they are a top 3 team in the metro? Those aren't earth shattering moves by any stretch.

The key move was adding Brunette, which was Florida's biggest loss.

So trading a guy with 115 points and arguably your MVP on defence isn't a blow up?

Letting a coach of who led you to the presidents trophy walk?

I agree Maurice was a bad hire but the gm made the team worse as well.