Seravalli: Gaudreau has informed the Flames he will not return

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Incredibly sad and disappointed. This is a system failure. The entire management team should be ashamed to lose a 100 point player for nothing.

But as others have said, it’s not the end of the world. We still have a good team. A playoff team. Or we have the option to sell and rebuild.

I would take a hard look at the front office though. This demonstrates that despite all of their resources, access, and incumbent advantage, they did not have their finger on the pulse of their best player and top asset.

I think they lost another 100 point player plus maybe another point per game player.

Well, they didn’t lose the players, just the results, I expect. Because Tkachuk isn’t getting 100 points without Johnny and Lindholm may not be up around 80 points either.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Does anybody know where I can find the Flames cap spending for the last 10 years? Can't seem to find anything that can take me back year to year that far on google. Involved in a heated debate with an Oiler fan, apparently our ownership doesn't want to spend money.

They spend the money. They just choose to spend it poorly.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Pittsburgh is a very questionable call.

As for Avs, Mackinnon was the 2013 first overall pick. I don't think a decade is what makes for a successful tank. They got Makar because they played like garbage with a first year coach, not because they tanked.

The fact that only those 2 weak examples show up in 20+ years says it all.

CHI was brutal through the 2000s.


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[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Tie games in third period of games 2, 4 and 5 vs Edmonton is “barely competitive”. Interesting.

Beating Colorado in Colorado and losing a one goal game is “barely competitive”.

Tough crowd.

At no point did I think the Flames were coming back against the Oilers. The Flames had zero and I mean zero answers for Draisaitl and McDavid.

Thought Colorado handled the Flames pretty easily as well. The OT win was pretty impressive, but the only reason they won was due to the top line, which they do not have anymore.

I’m also skeptical that the Avs played up to their potential in the regular season. The Oilers-Avs season series looked close, but the Avs swept them in the playoffs. They just had another gear in the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Does anybody know where I can find the Flames cap spending for the last 10 years? Can't seem to find anything that can take me back year to year that far on google. Involved in a heated debate with an Oiler fan, apparently our ownership doesn't want to spend money.

Find new friends

Flames are obviously a cap team and have been for a while

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Random thoughts as this sinks in
- Thank goodness the team has their 1st next year
- We've heard that Johnny talked to players about coming here, such as Coleman. One has to wonder if those conversations included Blake asking Johnny if he intended to stay beyond one year.
- For the poster who suggested the past treatment of RFAs and Gio could influence these decisions, I just don't see it. Clearly players are going to look at for themselves, so you have to be equally brutal the other way. Start thinking of players as assets. Loyalty goes both ways or doesn't exist at all. Clearly it's the latter so act accordingly.
- Maybe the team should double down on Team Sweden. And with that, avoid Americans.
- It drives me nuts that the Oilers tanked their way into two franchise players, and the Flames drafted two with late round picks. The team that actually was smarter, gets burned. The team that has been an embarrassment of failure ends up in a better state. Brutal.
- It may be hard to swallow today, but a 8 year deal at 11.5M (or something like that) was probably at some point going to feel like the Burns/Karlsson deals feel like in SJ. In the long-run this might be better. What sucks is losing the player for nothing again.
- I have a lot of respect for PL Dubois for being extremely up front with Winnipeg and giving them plenty of time to make the right decisions with that knowledge in place.

Best post since the news broke. I actually commented in the PLD thread for being up front with the Jets as going them a favor. Even though Gaudreau wasn't up front we had gone over the scenario here over and over for years. The guy hates flying and they fly considerably less out east. Childhood fan of the Flyers. Father having heart issues. Wife from Philly. So many dots to connect this seemed like an inevitability and maybe the fans (myself included) and the team got caught up in a great regular season and romanticized a fairy tale ending that was never going to happen. It's time to move on now and see what happens in the coming week as the 2022/23 Flames are going to have a bit of a different flavor to them for better or worse.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TBone290

What is a honest return that the flames would have gotten for him if he informed the team two or three weeks earlier? I really wonder...

We will never know. He never gave us the chance.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Wait, I thought the narrative was that Treliving set this up to happen by being such a big bad meanie when he negotiated Gaudreau's last contract.

Which is it?

You're asking me?
Want to show me where that has ever been my narrative??

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It is a clear example of how Canadian teams are at a disadvantage. Players ultimately want to play in big American markets: NY, Boston, California, Florida.

While I know this is true, I personally don't get it. California and Florida I can see because at least the climate is great, but large cities freakin' blow, especially once you get older and have a family. I can't be the only one who feels this way.

[JohnnyB]

Not sure blowing it up is the answer, or that the Flames will be an awful team next year without Johnny, or even that Johnny signed at $10.5M or $11M per year would have been a good contract, but I can say that without Johnny my gaf level about the team will be a lot lower and I don't feel much enthusiasm to watch or follow next season.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Dx54

How has that worked out for a historically mediocre, small market Canadian team?

What's the alternative? Teaching a team to tank one year and then magically turning back the 'give a cr*p' dial back on the next after you have the number 1 pick in training camp?

Speaking for myself, I don't follow the Flames for the championships. They're my favourite team and I want them to compete, and that will create memories. If that compete level also brings the Cup then great - but I don't define my sports happiness around it.

I realized a long time ago that focusing on championships is a fool's errand for me. It's a losing proposition for 97% of fans every year. Either enjoy your team competing, or be angry for the majority of your sports fan life pretty much regardless of which team you watch*.


* Notable exceptions for some domestic european soccer leagues.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

While I know this is true, I personally don't get it. California and Florida I can see because at least the climate is great, but large cities freakin' blow, especially once you get older and have a family. I can't be the only one who feels this way.

Large cities are awesome when you are wealthy.
(not for everyone of course)

[Pliddy]

I'm never eating skittles again, I will re-evaluate purple
Gatorade tomorrow

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

What's the alternative? Teaching a team to tank one year and then magically turning back the 'give a cr*p' dial back on the next after you have the number 1 pick in training camp?

Speaking for myself, I don't follow the Flames for the championships. They're my favourite team and I want them to compete, and that will create memories. If that compete level also brings the Cup then great - but I don't define my sports happiness around it.

I realized a long time ago that focusing on championships is a fool's errand for me. It's a losing proposition for 97% of fans every year. Either enjoy your team competing, or be angry for the majority of your sports fan life pretty much regardless of which team you watch*.


* Notable exceptions for some domestic european soccer leagues.

Flames fans are so concerned that they're going to turn into the Oilers that we've become blind to how Tampa and Colorado have found success.

[TBone290]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We will never know. He never gave us the chance.

My point is, probably not that significant of a return for a pending UFA that wants to sign with a team in the NE

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You're asking me?
Want to show me where that has ever been my narrative??

It's been a pretty popular narrative on CP.

When you have some people saying Treliving is too mean to negotiate well, and others saying he's too soft, it's not hard to conclude that a lot of people are talking through their hats.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Icon

It would have still sucked to know we were losing him if we found out in June, but would have been able to do things at the draft and prepare for free agency

That’s not Johnny’s fault


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[Vedder]

I understand the frustration with Treliving, but blaming him for squandering the asset assumes that he actually had the authority to trade Johnny if he wanted to. My guess is that ownership was involved in that decision last offseason, and that their eyes were wide open about the risks involved in keeping him.

The biggest shame is Sutter only getting one full season with this core. The Peters/Ward era was a complete waste. I blame Treliving for Peters, but I think his hands were tied with Ward. I don't think the owners wanted to pay up for a coach during the pandemic.

I'm not opposed to a GM change, but I'm not interested in some unproven type without experience repeating a bunch of the same mistakes we've seen Treliving make in the early stages of his career.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

Yeah the revisionist history of this season and the Oilers playoff series will be unbearable.
Flames would've taken Colorado to 6 games if they got last the Oilers.

If the refs don't blow a quick whistle and disallow a Flames tying goal with 10 mins to go in the third, it well could've been 2-0 back to Edmonton. And even with that game where the Flames have up 5 odd man rushes in 6 minutes against the Oilers and Andersson Kylington and Hanifin turned into pumpkins, add in the faux kicked in goal in game 5 and Flames, without playing a lick better but getting those calls, and it's over in 6 or 7 for the Flames.

Oilers in 5, full stop. Let’s accept it for what it is, it’s just embarrassing to argue otherwise. Much less knowing how we would have played in the next series.

Let’s get them next time so they can be the ones pulling the what ifs out of their ass.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TBone290

My point is, probably not that significant of a return for a pending UFA that wants to sign with a team in the NE

Yup. Wonder what Darryl is thinking right now.