Electric vehicle war, is gas soon to be toast?

[MacDaddy77]

I'm really intrigued by the Rivian R1S 5 seater but hearing they are having production issues getting units of the R1T off the line.

I like the look of the R1S and think it kind of looks like an electric Bronco.

[photon]

"The 2022 Ioniq 5 can charge from 10% to 80% in just 18 minutes, at a 350-kw DC fast-charger, and it can recover 68 miles of range in about five minutes."

Not 100% in 10 minutes, but it's getting there.

I don't think there'll be any revolutionary battery breakthrough in the near term to drive a huge change in adoption, I think it'll just get incrementally better over time and more people will adopt over time.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by photon

"The 2022 Ioniq 5 can charge from 10% to 80% in just 18 minutes, at a 350-kw DC fast-charger, and it can recover 68 miles of range in about five minutes."

Not 100% in 10 minutes, but it's getting there.

I don't think there'll be any revolutionary battery breakthrough in the near term to drive a huge change in adoption, I think it'll just get incrementally better over time and more people will adopt over time.

Maximum range of 275km though. That wouldn't even get me to Lake Louise one way in winter with the reduction for cold weather on the batteries. be ok for just a commuter car or somewhere warm like Phoenix

[Mazrim]

I don't own an electric vehicle so I might be ignorant here, but I'm still struggling with the concept of everyone needing their own plug-in for their vehicle at home. Right now it might be needed being early in the uptake, but wouldn't the practical application with widespread adoption be similar to filling up at a gas station today? Let's say EV use picks up enough that most gas stations have replaced half or 3/4 their fuel pumps with fast chargers. A stop once a week at the gas/charging station for most commuters should get the battery full and should last them quite a while. Unless I'm just not aware of something with EV performance, there probably isn't a need to have it constantly as charged as much as possible.

Most people wouldn't ever take advantage of the extended range vehicles. It's kinda like people buying big trucks for their daily commute because once a year they might use the box for moving something, and once a year they might go on a rough gravel road or something. You're better off buying a vehicle that satisfies 95% of your usage, and renting a vehicle for the 5% of the rest of the use.

For longer drives, I'm willing to bet the average driver only goes about 2 hours of driving before making a bathroom or snack break. If you have chargers at regular intervals on highways then those stops aren't really lost time (assuming the capacity for the amount of EVs needing a charge would exist). Sure, if you're the outlier who stops once on your way to Vancouver from Calgary, or you're going to the ski hill every week in the dead of the winter, go wild I guess. Otherwise, there's not much reason you need to have a gas tank or battery capacity to go 600 km in one go.

[Fuzz]

Fast chargers are hard on the batteries. For regular daily use you are better to overnight charge at a slower rate. Charging to 100% or fully disparaging is not advisable either. Fine to do occasionally, but not good to always keep it at 100%.


They also lose power just sitting there. So having a charger connected while parked is also handy.

[Azure]

Normal speed charging not as hard on the grid as well?

[photon]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Maximum range of 275km though. That wouldn't even get me to Lake Louise one way in winter with the reduction for cold weather on the batteries. be ok for just a commuter car or somewhere warm like Phoenix

400km+ for the AWD versions, 350 for the smaller battery: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...843745423.html

[Wormius]

I wonder how much is it to just replace the drivetrain out of an ICE? I am only interested in doing what would get the best range with an EV and not any or the other gizmos.

[photon]

Ford is selling their motor from the Mach-E online now. Conversions seem like a lot of extra work (meaning $$) but I do admit having that electric F-100 would be pretty cool. There'll probably be more and more of that kind of thing.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...r-concept.html

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I wonder how much is it to just replace the drivetrain out of an ICE? I am only interested in doing what would get the best range with an EV and not any or the other gizmos.

For most vehicles it would never be worth it. You spending a good 15k, and where do you put the batteries? You get a mediocre system, probably with poor range on and old vehicle. Unless you are doing a resto-mod of some sort, it makes no sense to do on a generic modern vehicle.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

For most vehicles it would never be worth it. You spending a good 15k, and where do you put the batteries? You get a mediocre system, probably with poor range on and old vehicle. Unless you are doing a resto-mod of some sort, it makes no sense to do on a generic modern vehicle.

I think what I want to be able to avoid is having to add a lot of useless options for the only thing that is really important to me. Anyway though, I think it would be a boon to any EV manufacturer if they only focused on that instead of unnecessary features. Why can’t you get something with a Tesla Model Y range but with a better overall build quality and without stuff that isn’t needed for driving?

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Fast chargers are hard on the batteries. For regular daily use you are better to overnight charge at a slower rate. Charging to 100% or fully disparaging is not advisable either. Fine to do occasionally, but not good to always keep it at 100%.


They also lose power just sitting there. So having a charger connected while parked is also handy.

So I thought a level 2 charger for home would be a necessity but if my commute is less than 40km is there really any point to upgrade charging at home?

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Sounds like we have very similar tastes.
The Taycan cross would be my 1st choice but doesn't make sense for our family car.
Right now we don't have kids and have only 1 vehicle, but that should change soon.
My thoughts are get a family friendly electric at a reasonable price now and save the Porsche for my 2nd fun vehicle.

I love BMW but the iX isn't really speaking to me design wise. May have to look at it in person when possible.

I'm not a huge fan of the exterior design of the iX but am willing to accept it as the interior is gorgeous, it gets way better range than the Audi eTron, is faster and has some awesome tech (the electrochromic roof is just awesome)

[Azure]

Average commute time in Canada is 60 to 75 min.

Level 1 charging would be more than adequate for that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CASe333

So I thought a level 2 charger for home would be a necessity but if my commute is less than 40km is there really any point to upgrade charging at home?

A Tesla Model Y will charge at about 12km/h on a standard 15A circuit. So yes, you can do just fine with a normal plug. Here's a calculator for many vehicles and charging configurations:


https://evcompare.io/charging-calculator/

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm starting to consider my next vehicle.
My current lease expires Sept 2022 but considering the order time and vehicle shortage, I don't want to wait too long to start.

Considering a Tesla model Y, any owners and thoughts?
Also intrigued by the Toyota Rav4 hybrid.

Could also buy out my lease and keep my car for now. Have a MB GLC 43 AMG.

Hard to make a decision, but curious on the feedback of electric or hybrid owners.

So my thoughts on an EV as a daily commuter (I recently bought one, overpriced as they may be compared to hybrids and plugin hybrids and ICE). My thoughts (I know a lot of this thread is very macro-outlook, mine is not so far-reaching)


Pros:
- it is very nice to be able to have climate control on my phone heat the interior up to a nice toasty 21.5 degrees while the car sits inside the garage. An ICE car would require you open the garage door to do the same thing.
- I've charged it at home every time. Haven't even looked for an EV charging station.
- I haven't checked gas prices once since I bought it. I couldn't tell you if they're down to 90c a litre or up to 2 dollars a litre. I don't care!!
- A typical Calgary daily commute will drain maybe 5-10% of the battery. Level 1 charging is fast enough
- the torqueyness is fun to drive. I don't miss my ICE car which was 5 cylinders and turbocharged one bit.
- I do have some inconvenience playing around between different levels of regenerative braking. Level 1 never feels like enough on most roads, level 2 feels too aggressive. If there were a level 1.5, it'd be just right. So maybe factor in a test drive and try regenerative braking on different EV options.
- fewer moving parts that could go bad. How many times have you had to replace a worn gasket leaking motor oil, or oil filters etc?

cons

- the biggest issue is just finding the car you want. You mentioned wanting a model Y, so factor in how long it'll take for one to actually arrive at your proberbial doorstep. Supply is frustrating right now.
- it's a $55k car that feels more like a $40k car in terms of fit and finish. You are paying an EV premium even with the $5k government rebate. Personally I think the predictable upfront cost is worth not having to deal with fluctuating gas prices, but I don't know if there is any long term saving so to speak.
- Electric bill will go up a bit, but I think overall it's been nothing significant. Electricity is cheap right now IMO.
- if you don't preheat it, it takes a while to warm up on a cold day. ICE cars and hybrids probably heat up faster.

Sorry if I didn't directly answer your question or provide anything you didn't already know

Originally Posted by CASe333

So I thought a level 2 charger for home would be a necessity but if my commute is less than 40km is there really any point to upgrade charging at home?

Level 2 charger would only be a necessity if you're driving a taxi or something.

But a 50A circuit to your girage would probably increase home value so it's not the worst investment.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bossy22

Our range is 439km. In the winter when it's cold, we need to stop in Canmore on the way home to give it a bump. Works well being the new chargers are by the alberta wing shack which is where my kid likes to get chicken strips from. On those ski trips, we top up to 100% at home, go skiing, then stop in Canmore, plug in and go get some chicken strips for the kid

I don't think I would be thrilled with a forced stop every single time...how long does this stop take?

[You Need a Thneed]

In the 6 months I had my bolt, level 1 charging was fully adequate for my commuting. Even if it didn’t quite charge up the full amount I used the previous day, I’d get to the weekend, where the car could be plugged in for longer time, and it would catch up then.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by photon

Garage is attached, and I'm pretty sure the main breaker was 120A but I can check.

I can ask the same electrician about how much, but $1-2k isn't that bad.

Also ask about a DCC-10 if your panel is full

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think I would be thrilled with a forced stop every single time...how long does this stop take?

You only need to stop as long as your drive requires. 10-15 minutes is good enough for us. You don't have to charge it fully. You just need enough of a charge to comfortably make it home. We did do it once without a stop but it's kind of nerve racking.


Having said all of that, we don't usually take the Tesla to the mountains. We have an ICE vehicle that is the main long distance driver.