[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Sneaky Kekalainen!

I doubt he'll trade his pick.

One possibility would be to move up, if Winnipeg sees the Finns are equal and Columbus doesn't rate Puljujärvi as high.

[Bourque's Twin]

If CBJ won't trade out of the top 10, then there are 7 potential trading partners.

Edmonton - Why would they trade up to #3 when they need help on the backend?
Vancouver - What could they add to CBJ that won't hurt CBJ's CAP? They don't pick again until the 3rd and then not again until the 5th. The only way they can swap is if CBJ is really high on Dubois.
Calgary - Three 2nd round picks to play with.
Arizona - Another 1st and another 2nd to play with. Biggest risk to CGY obtaining the pick but they may be more interested in swapping with EDM to take Tkachuk.
Buffalo - They are in more need of D
Montreal - They have another 2nd to play with but does CBJ risk not geting their guy at #9?
Colorado - They are in more need of D

I think the Flames are the most likely team to get Puljujarvi (I'm biased of course). Calgary takes Puljujarvi and Columbus gets to take Brown, Keller or Jost. The only C's they miss out on are Matthews (too hard to obtain) and Dubois.

I think it's possible for Arizona and Edmonton to swap picks as well. Arizona takes Tkachuk and Edmonton takes their pick of any D.

TOR - Matthews
WPG - Laine
CGY - Puljujarvi
ARI - Tkachuk
VAN - Dubois
CBJ - Brown
EDM - Sergachyov
BUF - Juolevi
MTL - Nylander
COL - Chychrun

[sureLoss]

Neal McHale ‏@nealmchale
Bob McKenzie on TSN 1050: "CBJ options are trade the pick or conceivably go off the board at three."

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Neal McHale ‏@nealmchale
Bob McKenzie on TSN 1050: "CBJ options are trade the pick or conceivably go off the board at three."

Can't see them going off the board. They likely have at least one option to move down where they know their guy is and then still get the extras from the team moving up. Extra assets would win out.

Maybe I'm missing something that someone here can point out though.

[skudr248]

No point going off the board is there is a trade you can make..

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Can't see them going off the board. They likely have at least one option to move down where they know their guy is and then still get the extras from the team moving up. Extra assets would win out.

Plus they can surely add in a contract to shed salary

[Phaneufenstein]

I think the whole "not sold on Puljujarvi" talk from Columbus is BS.
They just want to make sure the Jets take Laine with their pick so that Columbus can draft JP.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Can't see them going off the board. They likely have at least one option to move down where they know their guy is and then still get the extras from the team moving up. Extra assets would win out.

Maybe I'm missing something that someone here can point out though.

Only reason not to to trade down is they don't expect they guy they really like to be at the spots they can trade down to.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Only reason not to to trade down is they don't expect they guy they really like to be at the spots they can trade down to.

Maybe the Flames can trade for the 4th and then move up to 3rd.

[CliffFletcher]

This all centres on what teams think of Brown. Since it's looking like Dubois will play in the NHL as a winger, Brown is the next best centre after Matthews, and presumably the guy Columbus would be interested in. But is Van also high on Brown? I expect we'll have to wait until after Van's pick for any trade between CBJ and the Flames. The good news is if Van does take Brown, then Dubois makes a nice consolation prize for not making a deal for Puljujarvi.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Maybe the Flames can trade for the 4th and then move up to 3rd.

Stop.

The Flames are not going to make a high profile trade with their biggest rival. Let's not let this thread devolve into the nonsense that dominates the other one.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This all centres on what teams think of Brown. Since it's looking like Dubois will play in the NHL as a winger, Brown is the next best centre after Matthews, and presumably the guy Columbus would be interested in. But is Van also high on Brown? I expect we'll have to wait until after Van's pick for any trade between CBJ and the Flames.

At that point any trade would not involve the player selected with the #3 pick, which is the entire purpose of this exercise, is it not?

I think the pick is traded after Winnipeg picks, if it is traded at all.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Stop.

The Flames are not going to make a high profile trade with their biggest rival. Let's not let this thread devolve into the nonsense that dominates the other one.

Treliving has shown a willingness to make deals with rivals already, so I don't think Treliving subscribes to the theory that trading with a rival is a bad thing the way fans do. I believe Treliving will make the deals he thinks are best for the Flames, now and in the future. I am not suggesting he will make the Hamilton for #4 deal, but I wouldn't write it off just because it is the Oilers holding that pick.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Stop.

The Flames are not going to make a high profile trade with their biggest rival. Let's not let this thread devolve into the nonsense that dominates the other one.

Not entirely true. It could mostly be a swap of picks and maybe a bad contract. It doesn't have to involve core players.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Stop.

The Flames are not going to make a high profile trade with their biggest rival. Let's not let this thread devolve into the nonsense that dominates the other one.

Not sure why not if he thinks his team can get better. A GM wouldn't be doing his job if he doesn't make his team better by not trading to a rival.

[DSIM420]

What I could see happening, is after the Jets make their pick, they then call Calgary and pick up an extra 2nd or 2 and move down to 6 to get their guy.

[rohara66]

If Puljujarvi doesn't go at 3 do the Oilers pass on him too and take Dubois or whomever there rumored to like?

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by rohara66

If Puljujarvi doesn't go at 3 do the Oilers pass on him too and take Dubois or whomever there rumored to like?

no chance imo, but it's strange enough that CBJ would pass on him. I really hope brad can make a move if CBJ wants keller/brown/dubois.

trade all the 2nds + 6 for 4. as long as the flames are there when pulju is on the board.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Treliving has shown a willingness to make deals with rivals already, so I don't think Treliving subscribes to the theory that trading with a rival is a bad thing the way fans do.

Yeah, but for middling prospects and later round draft picks. That is an entirely different scenario than moving a high-end first rounder or an impact-level roster player.-

I believe Treliving will make the deals he thinks are best for the Flames, now and in the future. I am not suggesting he will make the Hamilton for #4 deal, but I wouldn't write it off just because it is the Oilers holding that pick.

The reason why it could never happen with Edmonton is because NEITHER team is going to get the value they believe they need to recoup in a trade with their biggest rival. Quite simply, Treliving is not going to get what he wants from Edmonton in an exchange for Hamilton. Again, this is totally different than swapping later picks or moving a poor performing minor league player. Treliving can't afford to make a trade of this magnitude with the Oilers unless he absolutely robs them, and I don't expect that to happen.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

NEITHER team is going to get the value they believe they need to recoup in a trade with their biggest rival.

Neither Chiarelli nor Treliving strike me as guy overly worried about optics like that. Chiarelli has never even struck me as a guy worried about value in general, he has guys he targets and he goes after them, and it's worked for him just fine until an Iginla bonus backfired on him.