Star Trek Discovery

[FlameOn]

I really thought they wrapped that up far too quickly and show was full of just insane logical oddities.

On the plus side though, we got to see this from the last episode. Looks great

[OutOfTheCube]

I think it’s pretty clear episode 13 is where the writers wanted to end it. Would’ve been a much better season finale. Could’ve even worked in the Enterprise in more or less the same way. I think CBS didnt like leaving it so open ended and ordered the last two episodes to resolve everything, then the writers had to rush through it.

Overall, it was good. Looking forward to season 2!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think it’s pretty clear episode 13 is where the writers wanted to end it. Would’ve been a much better season finale. Could’ve even worked in the Enterprise in more or less the same way. I think CBS didnt like leaving it so open ended and ordered the last two episodes to resolve everything, then the writers had to rush through it.

Overall, it was good. Looking forward to season 2!

They could have even done something really meaningful in the last episode before the finale, that actually would have given the war some weight.

They come out of the warp that's dangerous but not at Star Base 1, right into a massive battle. Klingon's clearly having the upper hand here. The Discovery warps in, and they are instantly attacked by Klingons. Chaos on the bridge, shields failing. The Admiral screaming orders and trying to fight back, new guys in the corner puking his guts out. We see Burnham pushing wounded weapon guy aside as the ship shakes and she yells "We can't take much more of that".

We see the Klingons firing away, and suddenly we hear a voice on Discovery's bridge "Stand by Discovery".

We see Klingon ships being hit by an unbelievable barrage of Torpedos and phaser fire. The Klingon's suddenly to to warp. We go back to the Discovery's bridge which is beat to crap, the Admiral is dead, clearly her neck is broken. Burnham and Saru stand up and they hear a voice crackling over the intercom.

"Discovery, this is the USS Enterprise, Captain Pike would like to speak to your Captain"

We look out the view screen and see the Enterprise passing over head.

Then the credits roll.

Now this gives then the whole off season to figure out the war and the Enterprise has done something meaningful to get the fans involved.

[OutOfTheCube]

Another problem is like... you show me a cool, updated Enterprise with Captain Pike and young Spock and whoever else and like... screw the Discovery. I want the show to carry on with the Enterprise then!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Another problem is like... you show me a cool, updated Enterprise with Captain Pike and young Spock and whoever else and like... screw the Discovery. I want the show to carry on with the Enterprise then!

Yeah, that's already a problem now.

People are excited about the Enterprise, and who is playing Pike and is Spock on the ship.

And where's Kirk.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, that's already a problem now.

People are excited about the Enterprise, and who is playing Pike and is Spock on the ship.

And where's Kirk.

Since this series is apparently 10 years before TOS, wouldn't Kirk still be on the farm in Iowa? I'm not as versed in Trek lore as other folks in this thread. When did Kirk first sign up for Starfleet in the original timeline?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Since this series is apparently 10 years before TOS, wouldn't Kirk still be on the farm in Iowa? I'm not as versed in Trek lore as other folks in this thread. When did Kirk first sign up for Starfleet in the original timeline?

Yup he would be, but you suddenly start introducing Lore characters and fans will want all of them.

They'll want Berman on leave and running into a 15 year old Kirk in a bar and them totally having sex.

Or she comes across a young girl at Star Fleet Academy and asks her what her name is, and finds out its Uhura.

Or maybe she see's a kid fixing a car engine and its Scotty. Or she gets a pap smear from Bones.

I'm fine with the Enterprise being there, because it was a cool moment, but now they've opened up a whole pandoras box where the crew and the Discovery are really secondary.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Since this series is apparently 10 years before TOS, wouldn't Kirk still be on the farm in Iowa? I'm not as versed in Trek lore as other folks in this thread. When did Kirk first sign up for Starfleet in the original timeline?

Canon-wise the show is in 2256. Kirk graduates Starfleet Academy in 2257 — certainly possible he makes an appearance (though not on the Enterprise).

[Dan02]

I would say I really liked the first 8 episodes or so, then it was like they realized they only had a few episodes left and they had to wrap up their story line plus leave a lead in to the next season so they hit sonic the hedgehog mode.

We were setup for a epic war against impossible odds against the Klingons then oh no wait nevermind, we win and then for no reason we're going to run into the Enterprise.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Canon-wise the show is in 2256. Kirk graduates Starfleet Academy in 2257 — certainly possible he makes an appearance (though not on the Enterprise).

We would probably be more likely to see Kirk's dad, which would be a good tie in. I am not really sure Spock would be on the Enterprise that early in Pike's captaincy.

[getbak]

With the look that Burnham and Sarek gave each other when they realized it was the Enterprise, I think Spock is already serving on board.


Also, apparently in the timeline, the events of The Cage/The Menagerie episode of the Original Series with Captain Pike took place in 2254 (Spock was already on the Enterprise) and the events of Discovery are sometime in 2257.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I would say I really liked the first 8 episodes or so, then it was like they realized they only had a few episodes left and they had to wrap up their story line plus leave a lead in to the next season so they hit sonic the hedgehog mode.

We were setup for a epic war against impossible odds against the Klingons then oh no wait nevermind, we win and then for no reason we're going to run into the Enterprise.

Like I said, this is what bugged me a lot.

We hear that this is a desperate war with millions dead, but they did such a piss poor job of making us feel that.

I would have been ok, or even encouraged them to spread the story of the Klingon War out to 2 years. but instead, we see no Federation losses, no battles at all. We get the laughable "The trip by warp drive to Starbase 1 is dangerous", then they arrive there 2 minutes later like its a milk run, and see a space station under Klingon control, and then laughably no shots are fired, and they warp out.

Then in this last episode we see the view of earth and then the go back and there's a Klingon "Armada of maybe what? 10 ships? With the ominous target aquired.

Oh no the Earth is going to be attacked, and then at the end of the episode after a few days, they're still there, probably playing the Klingon version of roll the dice at the wall game.

Why stretch it out over 2 years.

Look at something like DS9 and their portrayal of the war over the last two years. They still had stand alone episodes, but you had battles, had losses had characters in jeopardy.

They basically in Discovery took something that could have been tense and epic and made it into the who cares event of the season.

I'm still convinced that the writers knew this was a pretty poor season, and wanted to reboot everything.

Like I said before, there were some really cool moments this year, the mirror universe was very cool, the problem with it was that Lorca became lame in a hurry and stupid in a hurry. The idea of a Klingon War, great idea, the execution, to me was just terrible.

The whole Voq/Tyler torch bearer thing, in the end got stupid and was meaningless.

The spore drive, oh this is what I hate. They had a chance to get rid of it, and make things harder for the crew, and make it match Canon, but we hit the "We're out of spores moment", and what do they do, this incredible feat of lazy writing where they grow a whole new batch of spores in like a day, probably because they had written themselves in a corner in terms of getting them home.

Like I said, there were quite a few things that I liked, that showed that there could be a good series in there somewhere.

But the writing is so blindingly bad, and even the idea of an "We're sorry" episode where they end every story line and roll out the Enterprise and Pike as this promise that if you tune in next year, we'll be awesome moment, basically rendered everything from this season as completely meaningless.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Dan02

We were setup for a epic war against impossible odds against the Klingons then oh no wait nevermind, we win and then for no reason we're going to run into the Enterprise.

I still can't process how the show had:

- Tilly having a planet busting bomb in a lunch box that you just drop down a volcano. Take that Death Star.

- How L'Rell could convince all the Klingon houses to follow her (despite them hating her) on the basis that she had her finger on the button. Follow me or I'll explode the homeworld?

- Why the Klingon armada advancing on Earth wouldn't just ransack Earth even if they were "newly united". Klingon's like to party with a little smashy-smashy.

Based on all of this we went from a combat sequence that was going to make Wolf 359 / Way of the Warrior look like like nothing to....L'Rell and Michael making speeches? And then a "woohoo we win" ending?

What a waste.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I still can't process how the show had:

- Tilly having a planet busting bomb in a lunch box that you just drop down a volcano. Take that Death Star.

I kind of snickered at that, because what made it silly is this. Georgiou knew it was a bomb, the key to her plans, so what does she do, she leaves Tilly alone in a den of thieves while she goes off and has a threesome. Meanwhile what happens. Tilly gets high and someone errr tries to steal the brief case.

Again, just silly

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

- How L'Rell could convince all the Klingon houses to follow her (despite them hating her) on the basis that she had her finger on the button. Follow me or I'll explode the homeworld?

So, I'm Dork, son of Makaw of the house booga booga, I'm raising my hand. "Question, I mean nice speech and all, but are you the only one that can push the button?" L'Rell "Yes, I have the power, now bow to me and reunify".

"Ok, is it wired to your pulse or anything" L-Rell "No, but if I push this button here on this app that I downloaded on my tablet . . . . "

"Kill her lots"

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

- Why the Klingon armada advancing on Earth wouldn't just ransack Earth even if they were "newly united". Klingon's like to party with a little smashy-smashy.

Yup, L'Rell went from, we will crush you tiny humans and war will bring us together like a Sonny and Cher song to. Lets re-unite under threat and recall our fleets.

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Based on all of this we went from a combat sequence that was going to make Wolf 359 / Way of the Warrior look like like nothing to....L'Rell and Michael making speeches? And then a "woohoo we win" ending?

What a waste.

Like I said, it never felt like there was a war at all.

[Hack&Lube]

Okay my eyes are a little watery with the Enterprise and the TOS theme playing. I still have no urge to watch any episodes of Discovery after they jumped into the mirror universe for the first time which is where I quit.

[Manhattanboy]

I liked the idea of the mirror universe and even the Lorca story.

I could never get my head around the spore drive or the weird technology behind it, and in particular the requirement for creature/human interaction to make it work. The concept of being able to jump a starship and instantaneously re-appear anywhere else in the universe is fine but was not appropriate in that time line. Maybe a 1000 years further into the future.

Agree with you Captain on your analysis and really enjoy your takes.

[craigwd]

Why did Enterprise send out a distress call only to come out of warp, move into position and pull aside Disco? Sure doesn't look like ship in distress.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I tried way too hard to like this show. I shouldn't need to put that much effort in to like a show. In the end I didn't finish the season and gave up on it. It just wasn't good, especially considering all the great shows that I should have been watching instead.

[KTrain]

I really enjoyed the season. It definitely wasn't "traditional Trek" but I didn't mind. Leaps in logic and tech are easy to get over but I've never understood the desire to pick apart entertainment

It was easily the best first season of a series when compared to the previous ST series. Lots to like and room for improvement. Hopefully next season is more "traditional" and does some single episode stories and character building. Even if there's a bigger story over the course of the season.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by craigwd

Why did Enterprise send out a distress call only to come out of warp, move into position and pull aside Disco? Sure doesn't look like ship in distress.

We won't know until next season, maybe they were out of Grey Poupon.