[News] The Edmonton Oilers win the draft lottery and will select 1st overall

[Hockey_Ninja]

Popped up on my Facebook feed.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I know people want to crap all over them but they have an opportunity to basically be the West's Penguins and need only a couple of pieces to get that ball rolling.

A couple pieces?

Wow, I don't see that at all. Their goaltending is bad and their entire defense is even worse. And I won't even get started on how overrated players like Eberle and Hall are.

They are a couple pieces away from not being a bottom 3 team, they need much more than that to be some sort of contender.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, a couple pieces including a tendy, Hall and Eberle aren't overrated. But you're a huge homer judging from your other posts, so whatever, no point.

http://imgur.com/gallery/RdRvV?hc_location=ufi

NHL BUNGLES DRAFT, ROBS SABRES

That's pretty funny.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, a couple pieces including a tendy, Hall and Eberle aren't overrated. But you're a huge homer judging from your other posts, so whatever, no point.

http://imgur.com/gallery/RdRvV?hc_location=ufi

NHL BUNGLES DRAFT, ROBS SABRES

That's pretty funny.

Is that a joke or real?

[Tinordi]

McDavid drastically changes the composition of that team. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss how much better he instantly makes the Oil. Just terrible news, I'm honestly livid that they could be so bad for so long and then get gifted the foundation of a contender. Unbelievable.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, a couple pieces including a tendy, Hall and Eberle aren't overrated. But you're a huge homer judging from your other posts, so whatever, no point.

Wow. A huge homer? Where did that shot come from?

I call them a terrible team...........because they are? I'm not exactly making it up.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

McDavid drastically changes the composition of that team. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss how much better he instantly makes the Oil. Just terrible news, I'm honestly livid that they could be so bad for so long and then get gifted the foundation of a contender. Unbelievable.

He will make them better, but he isn't good enough to fill all the holes on that team.

He can't play top 4 back end minutes, he can't play goal, he can't play bottom 6 grinder minutes......

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is what I mean; you don't need that elite level guy if you have a solid reliable top four or at least a strong legitimate top pairing.

I agree they don't have any of those guys yet (losing Petry was dumb, at least he was solid), but I really like Darnell Nurse as a prospect and he could be a #1 defenseman in this league even though he's unlikely to ever reach Doughty/Weber/AP level. I suspect at least one of Marincin, Musil or Klefbom will ultimately be a reliable if unspectacular top four option as they're all good prospects who will either make it or bust, but they've got three bullets in the chamber there. They'll probably keep Jultz as a PP quarterback #4 type. For the rest, they'll have to get those guys through trade or free agency. Which is do-able, so long as they don't mistake Nikita Nikitin for a useful hockey player.

I know people want to crap all over them but they have an opportunity to basically be the West's Penguins and need only a couple of pieces to get that ball rolling. At this point, there are plenty of people who could fix the Oilers if they were the Oiler GM. Now we find out if MacTavish is one of those people.

Well to your first point, you said they needed "1 top 4 D" my contention is that they need 4 and that you need at least one that, while maybe not "elite" is a very good #1 guy (like McDonagh, Boychuk/Leddy/Hamonic, Wiz/Vatanen/Fowler).

You could say that Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin COULD be that, but it is an assumption. And my personal assumption is that they will bring Nurse in directly from junior and throw him to the wolves as a top Dman, where his development is likely better served along the path of a Brodie or Wotherspoon, where they learn the pro game in the AHL for a few years. But I'm not sure EDM is even aware that option exists.

There's no more benifit of the doubt with this team. Until they prove that they can properly develop at least one single FULL impact player, I will continue to assume they will eff it up.

And for those worried about McDavid; many cited examples of generational players not being able to do it alone, and McDavid is very much alone -- as "talented" as the rest of the forwards are.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Is that a joke or real?

It's real, the dude screwed up and pressed the button twice. Had he not done so it might have changed the outcome, but it's also a little silly - 11 probably wouldn't have been ball 2 had it been done properly so we don't know who would've won.

KFF, I've just been reading your posts. I don't want to get into an argument with you or anything; you can cheer for the team however you like but the "rah rah Flames; everyone else is malicious and evil and bad at hockey" thing doesn't really interest me. I'm just trying to avoid the homerism and have objective conversations to the greatest extent possible.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

He will make them better, but he isn't good enough to fill all the holes on that team.

He can't play top 4 back end minutes, he can't play goal, he can't play bottom 6 grinder minutes......

Yeah but all of that is relatively easy to fill and the fact that he'll be on the team makes it alot easier to fill those positions as well. One of the biggest disadvantages the Oilers had was being able to attract free agents. Alot of that is self-inflicted but him being on the roster instantly makes Edmonton a much more attractive destination that it used to be.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, a couple pieces including a tendy, Hall and Eberle aren't overrated. But you're a huge homer judging from your other posts, so whatever, no point.

http://imgur.com/gallery/RdRvV?hc_location=ufi

NHL BUNGLES DRAFT, ROBS SABRES

That's pretty funny.

They need two goalies, a top pairing (I don't think Klembom is it, and Nurse is nowhere near ready), at least two more NHL calibre defencemen in addition to those guys, and about 6 NHL calibre forwards.

I disagree about whether Hall and Eberle are overrated, but even with them, McDavid and RNH, Yakupov and Draisaitl, they are thin on the bottom 6. Maybe Boyd Gordon and Roy are OK, but Roy is not going to be around much longer, and Gordon has few tools aside from faceoffs.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

KFF, I've just been reading your posts. I don't want to get into an argument with you or anything; you can cheer for the team however you like but the "rah rah Flames; everyone else is malicious and evil and bad at hockey" thing doesn't really interest me. I'm just trying to avoid the homerism and have objective conversations to the greatest extent possible.

Glad to see you're not making things up.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Guys, relax. The draft lottery is done, the draft isn't. There is still time to turn this around. Remember, the Oilers cannot, under any circumstances, draft a player who is considered anything less than the consensus No. 1 pick. The solution from this point on is simple. All Connor McDavid has to do is tank until his draft position is #6 or lower. You know, do those things that make draft picks look less attractive: get arrested for something, feign a substance abuse problem, or get married to three women at once. Or he could just go the Edmonton-specific tank route and insist on wearing good pants with good shoes. That alone would probably be enough to get drafted somewhere else.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Yeah but all of that is relatively easy to fill and the fact that he'll be on the team makes it alot easier to fill those positions as well. One of the biggest disadvantages the Oilers had was being able to attract free agents. Alot of that is self-inflicted but him being on the roster instantly makes Edmonton a much more attractive destination that it used to be.

Yeah maybe maybe not, only time will tell.

I think the Oilers, who are already a cap team will run into cap space issues. I don't think the current Oiler management is smart enough to work around or get out of that cap space problem.

If there is one thing I have learnt from the last 20+ years of Oiler hockey it is they will find a way to be No Good.


Have Faith.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

KFF, I should clarify that I wasn't quoting you; that was a general comment about the attitude of some people that it's been my impression you're one of. And that's a perfectly legitimate way to cheer for a team.

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well to your first point, you said they needed "1 top 4 D" my contention is that they need 4 and that you need at least one that, while maybe not "elite" is a very good #1 guy (like McDonagh, Boychuk/Leddy/Hamonic, Wiz/Vatanen/Fowler).

Did I say that? If so, that's not what I meant; obviously you need four top 4 D to be a perennial contender. I don't remember posting that specifically but I'll take your word. Maybe I meant that they need one MORE, assuming that Nurse and one of Musil/Klef/Marincin pan out and they keep Jultz. That's probably 3 years down the road.

You could say that Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin COULD be that, but it is an assumption. And my personal assumption is that they will bring Nurse in directly from junior and throw him to the wolves as a top Dman, where his development is likely better served along the path of a Brodie or Wotherspoon, where they learn the pro game in the AHL for a few years. But I'm not sure EDM is even aware that option exists.

I don't really know how you develop Nurse best; I mean, Aaron Ekblad thrived when thrown to the wolves. Every player is different. Sure, they could screw him up, and you can never tell who a defensive prospect is going to be (nobody thought Brodie would be THIS good) but I think he'll be good. I just like the player.

There's no more benifit of the doubt with this team. Until they prove that they can properly develop at least one single FULL impact player, I will continue to assume they will eff it up.

Hall is an impact player, Eberle has been (though I never really bought into his hype). RNH is good and is on the road to becoming a good, if not spectacular, #1C. Yakupov is in a similar situation to Duchene a few years ago. These guys aren't the problem; it's been a remarkable run of awfulness picking outside the top 10 picks in the draft that's been the problem, along with the inability to maintain stability in the system by firing a coach every year. That and goaltending.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I disagree about whether Hall and Eberle are overrated, but even with them, McDavid and RNH, Yakupov and Draisaitl, they are thin on the bottom 6. Maybe Boyd Gordon and Roy are OK, but Roy is not going to be around much longer, and Gordon has few tools aside from faceoffs.

Hall is a good player. Just because I think he's overrated doesn't automatically mean I think he's a terrible player, he's not. He's just got a terrible hockey IQ and plays with his head down far too often. He's good, not great.

Eberle is a decent player, but one of the worst defensive players in the league. And he goes through the motions far too often. One game this season against the Flames he was great, played with some emotion and played really well. But far too often now he's just a shadow of his former self and really is a liability defensively.

Overrated doesn't mean garbage.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Yeah but all of that is relatively easy to fill and the fact that he'll be on the team makes it alot easier to fill those positions as well. One of the biggest disadvantages the Oilers had was being able to attract free agents. Alot of that is self-inflicted but him being on the roster instantly makes Edmonton a much more attractive destination that it used to be.

How's that? They've been trying to do that for years with negative results.

[Igottago]

I think the point about how good McDavid will or won't be for the Oilers is irrelevant. The relevant point is that Edmonton, going back near a decade or more, has been continuously awarded major assets for failure. 4 first overall picks in 6 years. That is absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention the other top 5 picks they've had. Its only due to their own incompetence that they haven't been able to take advantage of the situation.

That makes the NHL look like an absolute joke of a league.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I unfortunatly have to agree with Tinordi for once. The Oilers are likely going to be saved by a fricken Welfare check. So stupid.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Hall is a good player. Just because I think he's overrated doesn't automatically mean I think he's a terrible player, he's not. He's just got a terrible hockey IQ and plays with his head down far too often. He's good, not great.

Eberle is a decent player, but one of the worst defensive players in the league. And he goes through the motions far too often. One game this season against the Flames he was great, played with some emotion and played really well. But far too often now he's just a shadow of his former self and really is a liability defensively.

Overrated doesn't mean garbage.

Phaneuf will fit in perfectly.