5-year-old, grandparents disappear from Calgary home

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

They got the right guy, trust me.

Why are you so sure?

[prime333]

Ok so how do they know who the killer is if they don't have the bodies?

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by prime333

Ok so how do they know who the killer is if they don't have the bodies?

You'll find out when the police feel it's appropriate for you to find out.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

OK I've been trying to stay out of this, but seriously guys. If you know something that can't be said then keep your bloody trap shut. I am so sick of this "I know a thing but can't say it" bull spit that's be prevailant in this thread in the last six pages. Good for you, that you know all the facts. But if you can't or won't divulge them then keep it zipped.

Thank you.

/end grumpy old fart mode

[GGG]

Originally Posted by prime333

Ok so how do they know who the killer is if they don't have the bodies?

Blood evidence, murder weapon, camera feeds, motive.

The most difficult part is likely to prove that their dead however that likely can be done with blood volume or spatter if the police know where the killing took place.

I know nithing of the evidence in this case but some combination of foransic evidence would be enough to prove first that they are dead and secondly that he did the damage that caused them to die. Its a more difficult case to prove but I would assume the case is pretty solid for the police to arrest without the bodies.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

OK I've been trying to stay out of this, but seriously guys. If you know something that can't be said then keep your bloody trap shut. I am so sick of this "I know a thing but can't say it" bull spit that's be prevailant in this thread in the last six pages. Good for you, that you know all the facts. But if you can't or won't divulge them then keep it zipped.

Thank you.

/end grumpy old fart mode

Also a lot of it is probably rumor on top of rumor in a game of telephone that started from a reliable source.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would argue that a person though that can look a kid in the eye and kill him over business or over the whole no witnesses mantra is probably a serious psychopath.

This is different then a serial killer to me, a serial killer is usually broken and has no sense of humanity, there was a great book on the mind of the serial killer that I read, I'll try to find the title and post it here someday.

But serial killers don't see their victims as human, they see them as things, things that cause a feeling of gratification or emotional release when the're killed. Let me put it this way, a serial killer doesn't get upset about his kills, he might act with some remorse, with the whole "please stop me plea" but they don't mean it because they know that they will eventual have to kill again to sooth the compulsion. However if you tell a serial killer that his fish or his dog or his cat died, chances are he'll break down because there's a stronger emotional attachment to that pet as a living thing on a fundamental emotional level.

But to look a kid in the eye and kill him because of a business dealing with his parents and not wanting to get caught so he removed a witness is a whole different level, he's basically put his humanity in a closet over material issues or security issues. In a way he's a even more detached individual, at least a serial killer has a fundamental understanding of the value of his victim. This guy did not.

I've always said that violent acts against children whether violence based or sexual should automatically come with a life sentence at the governments pleasure with no chance for parole period. This person murdered innocence for personal gain, he might not be a serial killer, he might share a lot of fundamental personality disorders of a serial killer, but once you cross that line society shouldn't take anymore chances with you.

Mindhunter by John Douglas? Very good book about the profile of serial killers, although some of the stuff in there does make it hard to sleep after reading it.

http://www.audible.com/pd/Mysteries-...0dgaAgoS8P8HAQ

[MuscleOnTheBlvd]

Originally Posted by prime333

Ok so how do they know who the killer is if they don't have the bodies?

I'm sure this decision wasn't made lightly or on a whim. Just like they don't tell the public everything about the case.

You have to trust Chief Rick Hanson here, he's a good guy.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by prime333

Ok so how do they know who the killer is if they don't have the bodies?

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/n...without-bodies

You don't need to have the bodies to prosecute in Canada.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Mindhunter by John Douglas? Very good book about the profile of serial killers, although some of the stuff in there does make it hard to sleep after reading it.

http://www.audible.com/pd/Mysteries-...0dgaAgoS8P8HAQ

Love John Douglas. I still have quite a few of his books. Robert Ressler has a couple good ones as well.

[Acey]

Balloon release with Rod O'Brien (father) and there were similar gatherings in other Alberta locations as well.

[TKB]

I wish the family all the best moving forward, can not begin to imagine how hard these times are for them. Having children of my own I can't grasp how it must feel to loose a child, yet alone to some whack job that took it upon himself to settle a score over a god damn previous business deal.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by T@T

I totally agree but lets hope they got the right guy, everyone has this guy guilty and flogged already.

I think a step back might be in order until the facts come out.

While I agree ensuring they have the right guy is obviously key, not particularly worried about this guys name getting dragged through the mud and him getting flogged before proven guilty.

[Aeneas]

Been away awhile, whenever I have had internet (not really a priority for me) this is the first thing I checked. I guess not surprised but saddened and sickened nonetheless. I know we are not allowed revenge fantasies on CP, so I will leave mine untyped.

So sorry for that family, and that poor child...

[Northendzone]

i would hope that the police took some extra time to review thier evidence to make sure that no mistakes were made and i would think they worked closely with the crown lawyers to make sure that they were on solid ground before laying charges.

i am sure that the police would not want to make a mistake on this investigation.

it should be an interesting (sic) trial when all the details start to come out.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The public backlash if this guy walks would be so extreme that I would think they would not press charges without being pretty convinced they'll get a conviction. Lots of risk to anyone involved to pursue a weak case.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Mindhunter by John Douglas? Very good book about the profile of serial killers, although some of the stuff in there does make it hard to sleep after reading it.

http://www.audible.com/pd/Mysteries-...0dgaAgoS8P8HAQ

Yup that's the book, it is very good and very disturbing.

[Stanathan]

I think it's fair to say that despite not having bodies, the accused is the person who committed the crime. I have been told by a CPS violent crime investigator from a previous case that they will not lay charges in these types of cases unless they are convinced that the evidence they already have will be enough for a conviction of the charges.

They don't mess around with accusations and charges, they only get one shot at it.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

I think it's fair to say that despite not having bodies, the accused is the person who committed the crime. I have been told by a CPS violent crime investigator from a previous case that they will not lay charges in these types of cases unless they are convinced that the evidence they already have will be enough for a conviction of the charges.

They don't mess around with accusations and charges, they only get one shot at it.

I agree. But there is also a lot of pressure on them to get an arrest in this case. Hopefully they have enough to get a conviction.

[darklord700]

The fact that CPS locked onto Garland within 48 hours of the investigation but didn't lay charges until more than a week later shows that they are being throughout and diligent. I have confidence in them seeking justice for the victimes.