It happened recently, and unsuccessfully, in Russia. Although I suppose that's different because it was a private military force.
And this isn't a war of ideology or genocide. It's a straight-up modern invasion of an independent ally.
I could see a real possibility of a military professional risking treason to stop the insanity. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think the US Forces would fall as easily in line as they did in Russia, which was an already established dictatorship.
Trump has already begun to purge anyone who isn't a loyalist within the government and the military. Swaths of conservatives are calling Mark Milley a traitor, for example.
When the state apparatus is nothing but loyalists, illegal commands will be followed.
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This has certainly torn my family apart. I’ve totally disowned my MIL and will no longer have anything to do with her. That’s just me though - i’m not interfering with my wife and son’s relationship with her. But she voted for this evil Russian a$$clown three times despite everything. So fk her. She can burn in hell.
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What are the chances the US Armed Forces would actually comply with an invasion? Would it be more likely there would be a military coup?
Legitimate questions. I can't see a seasoned commander rationally agreeing to invade a non-aggressive ally.
I think there are indeed some honourable officers in the US military who would refuse an order to invade a NATO ally. Unfortunately, Trump will just have them sacked and replaced with loyalist toadies.
I had to wrestle with the questions of "Can or would I kill for my country?" and "Am I ok with being killed and/or dying for my country?" once already in my lifetime, and I am not at all thrilled about having to consider them again.
It's all fine to talk a tough game from a keyboard, but when the rubber hits the road, et al...
It's not just a question of whether you are willing to fight and die, but are you willing to sacrifice the people close to you. Insurgency warfare typically comes with high civilian collateral damage. If a person or group or people are committed to that, you have to be willing to lose everything AND make that decision for everyone. It's one thing to say that you are willing to die for the cause, but another to say you would also sacrifice others.
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Not sure if you're being serious here. He's not allowed to drive as current and former presidents and vice presidents are barred from operating cars on public roads for 'security' reasons. You get a Secret Service detail for life so you get driven everywhere.
That sounds like my own personal hell, frankly.
Also, a very on-brand Trump story regarding Lamborghini:
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According to Temerian, Trump and Lamborghini struck up an agreement whereby he agreed to drive a rotation of Diablos as a sort of marketing strategy, with the cars regularly sitting at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach.
However, as Lamborghini’s U.S. distributor changed in the mid-'90s, Lamborghini began to request Trump return the on-loan Diablo, apparently to no avail. Temerian says that he spoke to one of the directors of the Diablo SVR program, and he told Temerian that he met with Trump in his New York office sometime in 1997 at the behest of Lamborghini corporate, to try and get the Diablo back once again.
Rather comically, Trump apparently told this director that, due to his success and influence, it was an honor for Lamborghini to have someone like himself drive and market their cars for him, and in fact, Lamborghini should owe him a sponsorship payment for marketing their cars. On top of that, Trump was still refusing to give back the Diablo, so the director spoke to Lamborghini corporate to broker a deal to get their loan car back.
This has certainly torn my family apart. I’ve totally disowned my MIL and will no longer have anything to do with her. That’s just me though - i’m not interfering with my wife and son’s relationship with her. But she voted for this evil Russian a$$clown three times despite everything. So fk her. She can burn in hell.
How do you think you are the good guy here in your mind?
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Seems like some of you are looking for an excuse to do it.
Yeah guys, calm down. It's only our national sovereignty being threatened by the most powerful nation in the world and our elected Premier cozying up to the aggressors.
Some of you are, like, soooo dramatic.
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This was sent to me via a poster named Mugsy Margarit (to give credit). It's interesting to see it all written down in one place, and might be a bit of a valuable reference.
The barrage of information is often used as a weapon, so that readers quickly move onto whatever is the new exciting headline.
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Nov 30th, 2018 - The United States, Canada and Mexico finalize a trade agreement. Trump personally negotiates the terms and signs the document, celebrating it as 'the greatest trade agreement in history". (This is important.)
Nov 29th, 2024 - In a face to face meeting, Trump threatens the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, that he will be imposing 25% tariffs and that if Canada wants to avoid that, it should join the US as a state.
Nov 30th, 2024 - Trump publicly calls our Prime Minister 'Governor Trudeau' and instructs his staff to only address him as Governor going forward. He again suggests Canada should join the USA.
Dec 3rd, 2024 - Trump remarks that he would split Canada into two states once annexed.
Dec 10th, 2024 - Trump posts that the majority of Canadians support annexation, despite public polling that only 13% of Canadians would consider the idea.
Dec 18th, 2024 - Trump again falsely states that the majority of Canadians support annexation and that one of his lapdogs, Wayne Gretzky, should have a leadership role in that new scenario.
Jan 7th, 2025 - At a press conference, Trump says that he would use economic force to destroy the Canadian economy to annex it.
Jan 14, 2025 - Trump again claims that most Canadians want to be American, despite new polls showing only 10% of us are open to the idea.
Jan 20th, 2025 - During his inaugural address, Trump says that the U.S. will 'expand its territory' during his second term.
Jan 23rd, 2025 - At the World Economic Forum, Trump says that Canada can avoid tariffs and economic collapse if it joins the US. He says this in front of representatives from most countries in the world.
Jan 24th, 2025 - Trump states publicly that Canada 'will' become a state
Jan 31st, 2025 - Trump announces a 25% tariff on all Canadian imports to begin the next day.
Feb 2nd, 2025 - Trump refers to Canada as its 'Cherished 51st state' and that it should join the US to avoid tariffs.
Feb 3rd, 2025 - A one month delay is agreed upon. Trump, in a conversation with Trudeau states that he doesn't think existing border treaties with Canada are valid, and need to be revised.
Feb 7th, 2025 - In a closed door meeting with his cabinet, Prime Minister Trudeau is recorded, without his knowledge, telling everyone that he believes very strongly that Trump is serious and that he stated his reason for annexation as Canadian resources.
Feb 9th, 2025 - In a Super Bowl pre-game interview, Trump says that he's serious about his threats, calling it a 'viable consideration for expanding US territory'
Feb 10th, 2025 - Trump announces an additional 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from Canada to come into effect March 12th.
Feb 24th, 2025 - Trump publicly remarks that whoever signed the USMCA agreement is an idiot. He was the one that signed it.
March 4th, 5th, and 6th 2025 - Tariffs come into effect. Canada retaliates with it's own tariffs. Tariffs are again postponed until April 1st after a huge market backlash.
March 4th, 2025 - In an address to a joint session of congress, Trump states that the US will own Greenland 'one way or the other'.
March 5th, 2025 - US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick told Canadian finance minister Dominic LeBlanc that Trump "had come to realize that the relationship between the United States and Canada was governed by a slew of agreements and treaties that were easy to abandon."
March 7th, 2025 - Unconfirmed Memorandum and maps leaked on twitter reveal Trump is allegedly planning to annex the entirety of the great lakes and Southern Ontario, home to 13,491,332 Canadians. This amounts to 35.25% of Canada's total population and includes its largest city, Toronto. This region accounts for 38% of the Canadian economy, and its loss would make Canada's independence functionally impossible.
March 8th, 2025 - Canada's foreign minister warns European allies that their government considers Canada to be under existential threat.
March 9th, 2025 - Mark Carney, the new Canadian Prime Minister, in his acceptance speech, states that Trump is seeking to destroy Canada, and its way of life.
March 11, 2025 - President Trump threatens to “permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada” if Canada does not drop a 250% to 390% tariff on U.S. dairy products, which he doesn’t state only kicks in after a certain quantity of tariff-free U.S. dairy enters Canada, a quantity that was originally negotiated and agreed to by Trump during the USMCA in 2018.
In Trump's own words, "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear. Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the World will be bigger, better and stronger than ever — And Canada will be a big part of that. The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear, and we will have the safest and most beautiful Nation anywhere in the World — And your brilliant anthem, “O Canada,” will continue to play, but now representing a GREAT and POWERFUL STATE within the greatest Nation that the World has ever seen!"
March 11th, 2025 PT. II - Peter Navarro, a Senior Advisor for Trump is interviewed by MSNBC. When asked about the tariffs he responds with "Just tamp it down, please, over there, ok? They're throwing down the hockey gloves. Stop that rhetoric...we're not going to tolerate anything but them stopping killing Americans", insinuating that this situation was caused by Canadians killing Americans.
March 11th, 2025 PT III - Trump again publicly muses that Canada, Greenland, and the US should be one country, and questions the validity of the Canadian and American border.
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It's not just a question of whether you are willing to fight and die, but are you willing to sacrifice the people close to you. Insurgency warfare typically comes with high civilian collateral damage. If a person or group or people are committed to that, you have to be willing to lose everything AND make that decision for everyone. It's one thing to say that you are willing to die for the cause, but another to say you would also sacrifice others.
What are the chances the US Armed Forces would actually comply with an invasion? Would it be more likely there would be a military coup?
Legitimate questions. I can't see a seasoned commander rationally agreeing to invade a non-aggressive ally.
Dude, you need to go back and re-read Night by Elie Wiesel.
Many Jewish people in the 1940s just plain didn't believe Germany would do what they were being told Germany would do (and was actively doing). "not in the 20th century!"
They marched them to death camps and killed six million of them.
It's so incredibly naïve and ignorant of history to think there is some great moral force that can save you from authoritarian violence and invasion when it announces it's coming for you.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, but don't assume there is some magic soldier that will stand in front of the weight of the US government's will. That's ridiculous. He'd last about five seconds.
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