2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that management should build a long term winner here. I don't think they are showing us right now they know how to do that/ even really want to do that.

I think everything they've shown so far is back to "Make it and anything can happen" strategy. Sure, they left money on the table beginning of the year. But if you believe everything they say, then you should also believe the club is dead broke and struggles to make money (this is why they needed such a big hand out for the arena, right?)
If so, then we can take that at face value, they were just choosing to spend less for profitability sake.

How many weeks in a row do we have to rehash this?

Trade 7 UFSs
Deal your goaltender with 2 years left
Carry 20M in unused cap space into the season
Start the year with only 2 defenseman with any kind of NHL experience

The team has exceeded expectations.

The organization didn't set them up for success.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Well,
- they signed a bunch of garbage beginning of season like Mantha, Bean and Barrie. These guys are all filler and we could have just played rookies.
- They keep saying they want to make hockey trades instead of building for the future.
- They keep saying they want to sign a 28 year old to a long term contract.
- Conroy has openly talked about potentially moving out one of the 1sts in the next few years
- Constant references to the unaccetability of rebuilding (the naughty R word!!)
.

Most of this is just getting heated about media hits.

The filler was to give the team breathing room and not throw any rookies to wolves. The Flames have Wolf, Zary, Pospisil, Coronato, and Pelletier logging important minutes. Kerins just got brought up as well. Hard to argue with how the yare developing young players.

They haven't made a single hockey trade outside of the Toffoli for Sharnagovich trade and even in that one they got significantly younger. Do you really think they passed up on a good prospect for Miramanov? Bahl has been a great addition, is only 24, and came with a 1st round pick.

Should Conroy be out there publicly saying he wants to trade Andersson? IMO, the only right thing is to say he wants to re-sign him.

Finally, don't really care what they call it but 20 million dollars and trading a starting goalie screams rebuild.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Man you've already got like 10 entries. Basically 1 a day since the turn of the year. I was wondering what your alt account was but I think I know!

It's real easy to quote people, go back through my posts and find the 10 you're referring to, thanks.

You have a clear, biased take and it doesn't matter what the team does you will find a way to whine and complain. You're tiring, and I shouldn't have even engaged with you in the first place, won't happen again.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I ain't your buddy, guy! Don't speak for me. I am happy the team is outperforming, but I think more should have been done to ensure a poor performance.

“Right now, I just look at players to say, ‘OK, who’s underperforming? Who might be available?’” he replied. “One thing that is abundantly clear is just get to the playoffs. You have to get there. You don’t need home ice. Yeah, it helps, but this year, I don’t know how much it makes a difference. So get there, and hopefully you’re ascending to your peak. To hit at the right time, that’s important. But these playoffs, when you see Colorado going down and Boston going down, you’re thinking, ‘Man, just get there and see what happens.’

Quote from Don Maloney this past summer.

The intention was ALWAYS to make the playoffs.

You must be an emotional wreck watching the news every night if you take every quote as 100% truth without seeing why certain things need to be said.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You must be an emotional wreck watching the news every night if you take every quote as 100% truth without seeing why certain things need to be said.

That's the point man, I don't believe everything the club says, but have been confronted constantly that we should listen to Conroy. I'm trying to prove to you that it is a defeated point, and you seem to agree.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Groot

It's real easy to quote people, go back through my posts and find the 10 you're referring to, thanks.

You have a clear, biased take and it doesn't matter what the team does you will find a way to whine and complain. You're tiring, and I shouldn't have even engaged with you in the first place, won't happen again.

Good, I've been hoping for this outcome. And I don't want to waste my time sorting through your useless drivel. But, off the top of my head, your lavish praise of our prospect pool the other day was a good one and deserving of this merit.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

That's the point man, I don't believe everything the club says, but have been confronted constantly that we should listen to Conroy. I'm trying to prove to you that it is a defeated point, and you seem to agree.

Follow the actions as I listed above.

Nobody does what this team has done in the last 18 months with a drive to secure a playoff spot.

You clearly believed Maloney or you wouldn't have quoted it and than came to a conclusion from it.

You even included all CAPS to make your point!

[Monahammer]

I believed it when he said it, you can go look, you were one of those who told me not to believe it at the time.

Now, I am to believe Conroy that he is building the team differently, when largely he looks to be following the same "plan" that all his predecessors under current ownership have followed?

I choose to believe Maloney and not to believe Conroy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I ain't your buddy, guy! Don't speak for me. I am happy the team is outperforming, but I think more should have been done to ensure a poor performance.

“Right now, I just look at players to say, ‘OK, who’s underperforming? Who might be available?’” he replied. “One thing that is abundantly clear is just get to the playoffs. You have to get there. You don’t need home ice. Yeah, it helps, but this year, I don’t know how much it makes a difference. So get there, and hopefully you’re ascending to your peak. To hit at the right time, that’s important. But these playoffs, when you see Colorado going down and Boston going down, you’re thinking, ‘Man, just get there and see what happens.’

Quote from Don Maloney this past summer.

The intention was ALWAYS to make the playoffs.

Stating an aspirational goal isn't the same as actually pursuing that goal. You can't really seem to grasp that and just keep repeating that the Flames should have made themselves worse. For every vet the Flames traded in the offseason they would have had to bring in similar salary, so there isn't even a guarantee they would be a bottom ten team. Pretty much the entire hockey world had the Flames as a bottom ten team going into the season.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1881809773676691579

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Stating an aspirational goal isn't the same as actually pursuing that goal. You can't really seem to grasp that and just keep repeating that the Flames should have made themselves worse. For every vet the Flames traded in the offseason they would have had to bring in similar salary, so there isn't even a guarantee they would be a bottom ten team. Pretty much the entire hockey world had the Flames as a bottom ten team going into the season.

ok, what goal do you think the flames are pursuing?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I believed it when he said it, you can go look, you were one of those who told me not to believe it at the time.

Now, I am to believe Conroy that he is building the team differently, when largely he looks to be following the same "plan" that all his predecessors under current ownership have followed?

I choose to believe Maloney and not to believe Conroy.

The plan of being way under the cap and relying on a rookie goaltender? Can you show me all the years where the Flames were one of the lowest cap teams?

[Tbull8]

Just since there was discussion in here about going after Pettersson, what would it realistically take to pry Barzal out of New York? I've always thought he's a guy being held back by the organization he's in. 6 more years at 9.15. 27 years old RHC from Western Canada.

With them potentially trading Nelson, maybe they're gonna end up going down the rebuild route. Tough to say

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The plan of being way under the cap and relying on a rookie goaltender? Can you show me all the years where the Flames were one of the lowest cap teams?

no, the plan is to make the playoffs every year and see what happens.

The plan should be to build a long term contender, in my opinion. I don't think ownership shares this opinion, and thus my long term disagreement with the team.

For the record, there are many things the team can do and does that make me happy. I have been really enjoying Wolf this season. They are going to try Kerins at centre (though seemingly further down the lineup than I think they should). They are giving rookies bigger roles. Those are all good.

But if they were committed to the better plan, they would have pulled out at least one more leg before the season started. Trading one of Andersson or Weegar would have us bottom 10, no doubt. Now I am not sure there's enough runway left.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

ok, what goal do you think the flames are pursuing?

Rebuilding. The only player they have left on the roster that is an easy trade is Andersson. The team would definitively be worse without him but I am not sure if it is the difference between bottom ten and where they are now. Pachal and Bahl have been way better than expected.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I ain't your buddy, guy! Don't speak for me. I am happy the team is outperforming, but I think more should have been done to ensure a poor performance.

“Right now, I just look at players to say, ‘OK, who’s underperforming? Who might be available?’” he replied. “One thing that is abundantly clear is just get to the playoffs. You have to get there. You don’t need home ice. Yeah, it helps, but this year, I don’t know how much it makes a difference. So get there, and hopefully you’re ascending to your peak. To hit at the right time, that’s important. But these playoffs, when you see Colorado going down and Boston going down, you’re thinking, ‘Man, just get there and see what happens.’

Quote from Don Maloney this past summer.

The intention was ALWAYS to make the playoffs.

Nope. That quote was from May 2023, before Conroy was even named GM

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...ckey-ops-staff

So you think the Flames were trying to make the playoffs...last year? Dumped Sutter. Rookie GM and HC. Traded 7/8 UFAs including their best 2 defensemen. Following summer trade their starting G for mostly futures. Left 20 mil in cap space.

Your narrative is nonsense given what has happened over the last 18 months.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

no, the plan is to make the playoffs every year and see what happens.

But if they were committed to the better plan, they would have pulled out at least one more leg before the season started. Trading one of Andersson or Weegar would have us bottom 10, no doubt. Now I am not sure there's enough runway left.

No, that is what you have decided their plan is regardless of what they actually do. No GM is going into the season with 20 million dollars of cap space in an effort to make playoffs.

After how this team is performing, I don't think an Andersson trade guarantees anything. I thought they already had a guaranteed bottom ten roster going into the season but here we are. Weegar is a tough trade to make as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Just since there was discussion in here about going after Pettersson, what would it realistically take to pry Barzal out of New York? I've always thought he's a guy being held back by the organization he's in. 6 more years at 9.15. 27 years old RHC from Western Canada.

With them potentially trading Nelson, maybe they're gonna end up going down the rebuild route. Tough to say

9.15M for a career 70-point player in a 82 game season with 6 years left.

Kadri is a 60-point guy making 7M and people think he has no value. Is that extra 2.15M worth it, understanding the age. Looks like some injury history as well.

Add in the cost to get the player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I believed it when he said it, you can go look, you were one of those who told me not to believe it at the time.

Now, I am to believe Conroy that he is building the team differently, when largely he looks to be following the same "plan" that all his predecessors under current ownership have followed?

I choose to believe Maloney and not to believe Conroy.

And I'm still pointing out that they've done the opposite of trying to make the playoffs, keeping my view of Maloney's statement consistent.

You are the one that walks out a confirmation bias quote to say "see!" all while ignoring actual actions and facts.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Just since there was discussion in here about going after Pettersson, what would it realistically take to pry Barzal out of New York? I've always thought he's a guy being held back by the organization he's in. 6 more years at 9.15. 27 years old RHC from Western Canada.

With them potentially trading Nelson, maybe they're gonna end up going down the rebuild route. Tough to say

They can swap for Kadri