Russia invades Ukraine

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Itse

Russians are just incredible in their lack of pushback to Putin. Slowly boiled alive, and nothing that's notable.

We are no Ukrainians that's for sure. Not enough push back so far. We'll see what happens in the evening and Saturday though.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Officials say 300.000

Also mean all existing professional contract soldiers have their contracts extended indefinitely, or till they die, whichever comes first.

[FlameOn]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1572504177292767232

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

https://twitter.com/user/status/1572504177292767232

It is likely fake. People are googling for tickets, conscription procedures, border controls and such.

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1572540527073198082

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Also mean all existing professional contract soldiers have their contracts extended indefinitely, or till Putin die, whichever comes first.

Fixed

[SutterBrother]

Somebody is going to take out Putin and “withdraw” to pre-war borders.

This person will then be hailed as a “hero”, and the Russian redemption tour can begin. Again.

They, or their successor eventually become the new Putin, since it’s always the same dudes in charge.

Some things never change.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Itse

Russians are just incredible in their lack of pushback to Putin. Slowly boiled alive, and nothing that's notable.

Millions of people fleeing the country, yet protests were only in the tens of thousands.

It's effing pathetic.

I know it's easy for us armchair generals to say this but ultimately it's the truth; the lack of opposition to the Russian war and support for the war prior to the mobilization announcement has led us to this point. This is what happens when people get complacent and let their government walk all over them.

Ultimately it's the Ukrainians who paid the biggest price for this lack of opposition, and now potentially the rest of us will face it. Fascinating to see all the Russians online going nuts over this, when days ago they were either pushing for more violence to "win" and had nothing to say about the atrocities performed by their army. I realize it's not all Russians like that, but they have come out of the woodwork like crazy in the past few hours.

With all this uncertainty I'm just glad my FIL got out of Russia literally last week and is safe. Don't want to imagine how terrible it would be for him to be trapped in Russia with this going on.

[Fuzz]

Ex-Putin Ally Plunges to His Death ‘From a Great Height’ at Moscow Aviation Institute

An aviation expert has become the latest Russian official to fall to his death in mysterious circumstances.

Anatoly Gerashchenko, the former head of Moscow’s Aviation Institute (MAI), died in a mysterious fall inside the institute’s headquarters in the Russian capital on Tuesday.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...?ICID=ref_fark

Russian gravity strikes again.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I know it's easy for us armchair generals to say this but ultimately it's the truth; the lack of opposition to the Russian war and support for the war prior to the mobilization announcement has led us to this point. This is what happens when people get complacent and let their government walk all over them.

Ultimately it's the Ukrainians who paid the biggest price for this lack of opposition, and now potentially the rest of us will face it. Fascinating to see all the Russians online going nuts over this, when days ago they were either pushing for more violence to "win" and had nothing to say about the atrocities performed by their army. I realize it's not all Russians like that, but they have come out of the woodwork like crazy in the past few hours.

With all this uncertainty I'm just glad my FIL got out of Russia literally last week and is safe. Don't want to imagine how terrible it would be for him to be trapped in Russia with this going on.

It's all true except for we didn't really support the war prior to mobilization either. And right now the level of support is in the gutter.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

If anyone cares, I am no longer allowed to leave Russia. I do not face immediate conscription threat.

We care.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion it has been invaluable.

Good luck during these hard times, we all know you didn't ask for this war. If the worst should happen, are you able to get your kids/wife out since they are Americans?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Somebody is going to take out Putin and “withdraw” to pre-war borders.

This person will then be hailed as a “hero”, and the Russian redemption tour can begin. Again.

They, or their successor eventually become the new Putin, since it’s always the same dudes in charge.

Some things never change.

I don't see it. The only leader that really successfully capitulated was Gorbachev, and nobody wants to be Gorbachev now. Russia has been led by strongmen for far longer than the lifetime of the oldest person there. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how a person wanting to withdraw takes over in a true power with Putin dead. Of Putin does the next leader will be the next most feared person around and they won't be able to show weakness. There's literally zero off-ramp apart from mass revolt.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It is likely fake. People are googling for tickets, conscription procedures, border controls and such.

People with money and the option to leave. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see a sudden spike in accidents.

You wouldn't need to google that stuff though, or the question wouldn't be "how to break an arm" but rather things like "how to fake an injury" or "long lasting injuries that heal well", or something lika that.

So yeah this is likely fake.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We care.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion it has been invaluable.

Good luck during these hard times, we all know you didn't ask for this war. If the worst should happen, are you able to get your kids/wife out since they are Americans?

Kids - yes, wife - no, as she's Russian. One possible last resort scenario could be putting kids alone in the plane and ask my aunt and/or cousins to pick them up in USA side. It's complicated though as there are no direct flights and our relatives in USA, though friendly, are not really expecting to care for two kids. As it is, we are considering our options. As things stand, I likely won't be conscripted this year. I am likely to be conscripted next spring though.

[burn_this_city]

If the LNR/DNR "mobilization" tells us anything, do not go out in public if at all possible. They may resort to handing out subpoenas or grabbing you and press ganging you to an enlistment office. The legal rules of the mobilization aren't what Putin said in his speech.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Pointman

There's panic at my work. Everyone is trying to figure out the odds of them being conscripted. Also everyone is wondering whether it's possible to escape Russia now. Those who are outside of the scope of the first wave, such as 35+ years old, are wondering if they will be conscripted at later point and when that point materializes. While people do curse government and all, I hear no tangible signs of riot yet.

First of all, thank you for continuing to post here. I really appreciate hearing from an 'insider'.

Apologies if I've missed it, and I don't want to look through the lense of hindsight, but did you ever consider leaving Russia in the preceding months? Was there a big push for this from others, or was there a general feeling of 'this too shall pass'?

Again, really appreciate your insight.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Kids - yes, wife - no, as she's Russian. One possible last resort scenario could be putting kids alone in the plane and ask my aunt and/or cousins to pick them up in USA side. It's complicated though as there are no direct flights and our relatives in USA, though friendly, are not really expecting to care for two kids. As it is, we are considering our options. As things stand, I likely won't be conscripted this year. I am likely to be conscripted next spring though.

Jesus man. What a ####show this has all become and for no reason other than some POS psychopath and his goons trying to "save face", whatever that looks like.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Jesus man. What a ####show this has all become and for no reason other than some POS psychopath and his goons trying to "save face", whatever that looks like.

Yup, it all comes down to one insecure man and Biden just called him out in the UN: "in the last year our world has experienced great upheaval" and a "brutal needless war chosen by one man".

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1572608312298053632

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Jesus man. What a ####show this has all become and for no reason other than some POS psychopath and his goons trying to "save face", whatever that looks like.

Sorry for this but I think there is going to be some form of war in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. Russia is going keep at it for whatever reason and China is going to move on Taiwan. Both Russia and China are going to keep poking at NATO, the hate is deep.