2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it will play out as follows:
- They Flames will try to remain competitive for the next 3 years.
- After that they will be dragged into more of a re-build even if they don't call it that.
- They will have some expensive players still under contract but as the cap rises some of them may be moveable. If not, they will still not be a great team.

Basically I see it no too differently than what has played out with San Jose over the last 5-7 years.

So in 3 years are we trading pieces like Wolf, Coranatto, Pelltier ect?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

So in 3 years are we trading pieces like Wolf, Coranatto, Pelltier ect?

No why would we?

[Kipper_3434]

If the new Arena is completed for 2026 or so, do we have a franchise player at that time? What about a few foundational pieces for an elite core? The owners will want a sold out arena and tickets aren't going to be cheap. The only players on the team right now that are going to matter in 3 years are the young group who hasn't broken out yet and Anderson, lindholm, Kadri huberdeau. Would a core built around 35 year Olds + Coranato pelts and wolf fill an arena? I guess I'm a little confused why the team wouldn't want to blow up half this roster and go on a little rebuild to grab some prospects. It's starting to look more and more like this will be the ideal season to rebuild and I'm okay with that.

[traptor]

Love it or hate it but this team will never intentionally rebuild.

They may suck and miss playoffs but they will never do it strategically.

They will jerry-rig together whatever older UFA players they need to overpay to come here before they rebuild.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

If the new Arena is completed for 2026 or so, do we have a franchise player at that time? What about a few foundational pieces for an elite core? The owners will want a sold out arena and tickets aren't going to be cheap. The only players on the team right now that are going to matter in 3 years are the young group who hasn't broken out yet and Anderson, lindholm, Kadri huberdeau. Would a core built around 35 year Olds + Coranato pelts and wolf fill an arena? I guess I'm a little confused why the team wouldn't want to blow up half this roster and go on a little rebuild to grab some prospects. It's starting to look more and more like this will be the ideal season to rebuild and I'm okay with that.

Our 2 best players told the team they wanted out last year. All our important UFAs coming up told the team they probably weren't going to resign except one. We traded the one that wanted to stay and haven't done anything with the rest of them. Our best hope is we resign a couple of them and maybe be a mediocre team for a few more years. I agree with you that ownership will want a sold out arena and higher ticket prices when the new building is done, but the people that they expect more money from paid more than they should have to build that arena.

I am a Flames fan and I want more than anything for this team to be successful. I hope I'm proven wrong. Think I will be?

[Poe969]

The only chance this team has at becoming a contender is to somehow win the draft lottery and draft an elite #1C.

They won't be bad enough to actually have a good chance at the #1 pick so they'll need a ton of luck.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

If the new Arena is completed for 2026 or so, do we have a franchise player at that time? What about a few foundational pieces for an elite core? The owners will want a sold out arena and tickets aren't going to be cheap. The only players on the team right now that are going to matter in 3 years are the young group who hasn't broken out yet and Anderson, lindholm, Kadri huberdeau. Would a core built around 35 year Olds + Coranato pelts and wolf fill an arena? I guess I'm a little confused why the team wouldn't want to blow up half this roster and go on a little rebuild to grab some prospects. It's starting to look more and more like this will be the ideal season to rebuild and I'm okay with that.

I think the new area will fill itself.

I agree that having young exciting players will help fill it for longer but I doubt very much you will see empty boxes/seats for a long time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Ya, except the example you used is a very poor one. Only Tkachuk ended up being a top tier player at his position. While I liked both Monahan and Bennett, neither were close to being top tier players at their positions. That leaves a top tier undrafted d-man (Giordano), a 4th round top tier LW Gaudreau, and a 6th overall top tier LW\RW Tkachuk. Then you have a great trade, bringing in Hanifin and Lindholm.

TBF, the Flames got very lucky that Tkachuk was still there.

[Chi-Town Hustler]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The only chance this team has at becoming a contender is to somehow win the draft lottery and draft an elite #1C.

They won't be bad enough to actually have a good chance at the #1 pick so they'll need a ton of luck.

Yeeeaaahh. They'll get a #1 center and then surround him with mediocrity. Let's be honest here.

Go Flams

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

TBF, the Panthers got very lucky that Tkachuk was still there.

Fyp

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think the new area will fill itself.

I agree that having young exciting players will help fill it for longer but I doubt very much you will see empty boxes/seats for a long time.

The average person can barely afford food and housing right now. I think you’re in for a surprise.

[activeStick]

Not sure if true

https://twitter.com/user/status/1695495536814469415

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The average person can barely afford food and housing right now. I think you’re in for a surprise.

If that’s the case, it won’t matter who the Flames have in their line up.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If that’s the case, it won’t matter who the Flames have in their line up.

They could have started already and sold hope for the new kids, but that clearly is not the plan. Best of luck convincing people that watching 30+ year old, untradeable Kadri, Lindholm, and Huby mail it in and miss the playoffs for the rest of the 20’s is worth more than making rent.

But then, I’m just a peasant. What do I know about business compared to Murray Edwards the business genius looking to fund his backup summer yacht.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Gilmour had a family and child care issues.

Savard was hated by the coach.

I don’t remember either player being subject to a deadline.

Gilmour was unhappy with how arbitration went and decided to hold out. He was immediately traded for the best that they could get right then. Risebrough should have waited and been more patient.

Savard was in the doghouse with the coach and the story was Savard was shooting the puck at the coach in practice. Button decided he needed to be moved immediately, and did so. He should have been more patient and made a better decision than he did.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Gilmour was unhappy with how arbitration went and decided to hold out. He was immediately traded for the best that they could get right then. Risebrough should have waited and been more patient.

Savard was in the doghouse with the coach and the story was Savard was shooting the puck at the coach in practice. Button decided he needed to be moved immediately, and did so. He should have been more patient and made a better decision than he did.

Coates got Fleury right...traded for Regher.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

They could have started already and sold hope for the new kids, but that clearly is not the plan. Best of luck convincing people that watching 30+ year old, untradeable Kadri, Lindholm, and Huby mail it in and miss the playoffs for the rest of the 20’s is worth more than making rent.

But then, I’m just a peasant. What do I know about business compared to Murray Edwards the business genius looking to fund his backup summer yacht.

Just want to be clear I’m understanding you correctly.

You’re saying people who can barely afford to pay rent and buy food would be more likely to buy tickets to go to games in the new arena if the Flames rebuilt?

Wow.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

The argument against it for me is:
A) I still think this team can be very good and I want to see what the new collection of players can do.
B) There is no guarantee you're going to be picking in the top 3, therefore probably making for a very long rebuild.



Line of thinking? Has anyone here stated they don't want top picks? No, it's how you have to get them and the long term risk it involves. The rebuild crowd makes it seem like it's "just that easy". Just sell your top guys and you're on the road to recovery. You mentioned luck, well it also takes lots of special kind of "luck" to get a top pick. So much so, we've never done it. Not even after we sold off our team in the 90's.

Well at this point we have no choice but to see what this group can do. So far they're not off to a very good start but maybe a new coach will make a big difference. If it doesn't though then we're in a pretty poor position. So I get the fear of growing pains and potentially not getting the luck you hope for, but you usually have to go through those growing pains if you ever want to be more than a bubble team.

[mrdonkey]

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Originally Posted by TOfan

Just want to be clear I’m understanding you correctly.

You’re saying people who can barely afford to pay rent and buy food would be more likely to buy tickets to go to games in the new arena if the Flames rebuilt?

Wow.

People living in trailer parks donate their hand-to-mouth paychecks to Donald Trump to entrench what is essentially political team sports. So yes, I am saying - given the incentive is there - that would happen. If I were a soulless business tycoon who didn't care about exploiting people, that's what I would target. A strong message delivered with charisma is worth more to people than meeting their basic needs.

And unlike American politics, real team sports (outside of Edmonton) don't have
a bought-and-paid, unconditional pipeline of propaganda to brainwash fans into supporting a product with no hope.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Not sure if true

https://twitter.com/user/status/1695495536814469415

Kind of a doink move by Scott there imo. I wonder how Brady responded.