[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev all said no to us. This is a fact.

They saved us from ourselves. I give them credit for the trades after they said no, but this wasn't some master plan by ownership.

Lindholm and Tanev had asks the Flames wouldnt meet. The Markstrom trade is looking amazing. Like we dont need to do this again. Flames could have signed Rasmus too if they wanted to pay his ask.

[FlamesAddiction]

Regarding Conroy's contract, maybe it is another Treliving situation and he is the one waiting to see.

It was reported that Flames ownership offered Sutter and Treliving extensions at the same. Sutter took his, and Treliving did not. Maybe Conroy was offered and extension and is sitting on it.

We can also get into why the owner was the one extending the coach in the first place, and that the lack of autonomy justified Treliving's decision. It was also rumoured that he was eyeing the expected Toronto vacancy at the time, but it wouldn't be shocking if the Sutter thing is what pushed him across the line.

Letting Treliving run the show while he already had his foot out the door was another bad management decision, but I digress. You could probably write a book about all the bad decisions this franchise has made over the years.

[Erick Estrada]

Maloney isn't going anywhere as he's Edwards guy. I would not be surprised if he's still pushing Maloney to take the GM spot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev all said no to us. This is a fact.

They saved us from ourselves. I give them credit for the trades after they said no, but this wasn't some master plan by ownership.

2 of those 3 wanted to stay but Conroy said no to their asks to do so. The one who wanted out in any event would have been fine in a rebuild.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Not a fan of Edwards Ownership style but there's not many billionaires with ties to Calgary who would realistically step in and keep the team in Calgary.....its a very very short list. Basically anyone that has the capital or interest and ties.... is already a share holder.

- Its basically Jim Riddell (Paramount Resources): Who is the youngest and has the capital to be majority owner but he's already part of the ownership group so would anything change?

- Alvin Libin (Balmon) & Allan Markin (CNRL): They are original owners. They have the money to increase their stake but are older I think its less likely they buy 100% control.

- The Mannix Family (Coril Holdings) : Doesn't seem like any interest in the team and very private

- The Southern Family (ATCO): They only care about Spruce Meadows (horses), not hockey. Doesn't seem like they have an interest

- The McCaigs (Trimac): Not sure if they have the capital to be a majority owner would likely continue as a minority holder.

The current group has the first right to purchase so the shares probably just get bought up by the current group. So unless they have a completely different view than Murray, it kind of is what it is really.

Garrett Camp was born and raised here...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It doesn't matter if it was on purpose or not. No doubt they failed up in that situation, but the outcome was good for them whether it was their intention or not.

It matters to some on here who don't care if the Flames are in last place - only if they really really want to be in last place.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People still think the Oilers purposely tanked for McDavid? They sucked and won a10% lottery despite trying to make the playoffs. Under the new rules they dont get him and are 20 years into a rebuild right now.

The Oilers did embrace their futility, which the Flames still may do (although it is not what they're saying) - but what they did kind of aligns with what I'm hoping to see.

They made the following sell-off trades:

Jeff Petry for a 2nd + 5th
David Perron for 1st

That's effectively the equivalent of trading Rasmus Andersson and 1 of Nazem Kadri or Blake Coleman in the Flames current world (Flames may be better positioned from a returns perspective).

Edmonton finished with the 3rd best odds (11.5%) trailing Buffalo (20%), and Arizona (13.5%) while Toronto had 9.5%.

Edmonton 1st Overall: Connor McDavid
Buffalo 2nd Overall: Jack Eichel
Arizona 3rd Overall: Dylan Strome
Toronto 4th Overall: Mitchell Marner
Carolina 5th Overall: Noah Hanifin

It's a good example of taking a path forward to maximize their own draft lottery %. A bottom two finish is important. You want to give yourself a shot at 1st or 2nd overall (3rd overall is in that conversation this year as well).

Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel are both foundational pieces. McKenna, and Stenberg could be that, although at wing they may not be as important - however, look at that impact drop once you get beyond those top two picks.

So while they didn't tank going into the season, which is not what we're talking about at this point with the Flames anyways - we're talking about seeing the opportunity in front of them, that their play has earned. Embrace this season in a proactive way - that's what I'd like to see. More proactive than what Edmonton did, as their trades I believe didn't happen until the trade deadline.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Someone should do up some type of letter or petition or something that fans can put their name to expressing the dissatisfaction with the pronounced direction and wanting Conroy to get an extension. Something to articulate how poorly the DM interview went and how out of touch it is.

Ultimately the organization needs it fans, and if it gets they aren’t happy then that may have some influence.

I don’t have the time or ambition, but I’d happily sign it.

Did a quick little look, this exists: Change.org petition.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lindholm and Tanev had asks the Flames wouldnt meet. The Markstrom trade is looking amazing. Like we dont need to do this again. Flames could have signed Rasmus too if they wanted to pay his ask.

The Markstrom and Lindholm trades are what is in front of us again with Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson. We should do that again - the returns should/could end up in a similar space. I hope whatever internal debates they're having leads us down a path where Conroy can cook in a similar fashion.

I won't even Champion that long-term "we need at minimum two top-3 picks". Let's just keep it focused on this season. They have an opportunity to effectively rebuild this team and take it from a have-not to an outright rich organization from an assets/young player perspective.

I think these are all reasonable returns:

Kadri -> Lindholm return (1st Round Pick + good prospect or good younger player)
Andersson -> Markstrom return (1st Round Pick + good prospect or good younger player)
Coleman -> 1st Round Pick

That'd smash the Flames with youth, and important pieces for now and the future.

Add in another Bahl and Brzzzz
Add in 3 1st round picks which could be Reschny level.

And most importantly add in a Verhoeff, McKenna, or Stenberg?

That's a real quick turn around. At that stage, I'd be more than happy to see them go get aggressive in whatever avenues they have available to them.

[Strange Brew]

Flames were willing to re-sign them if they would meet their price. Supposedly.
Players would have re-signed if Flames met their price. Supposedly.

I don't think we'll ever know who had the more reasonable ask to figure out which side had more conviction in staying vs. leaving. Hard to really care at this point.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Garrett Camp was born and raised here...

But he is a San Francisco guy now isn't he ? Does he care about the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Oilers did embrace their futility, which the Flames still may do (although it is not what they're saying) - but what they did kind of aligns with what I'm hoping to see.

They made the following sell-off trades:

Jeff Petry for a 2nd + 5th
David Perron for 1st

That's effectively the equivalent of trading Rasmus Andersson and 1 of Nazem Kadri or Blake Coleman in the Flames current world (Flames may be better positioned from a returns perspective).

Edmonton finished with the 3rd best odds (11.5%) trailing Buffalo (20%), and Arizona (13.5%) while Toronto had 9.5%.

Edmonton 1st Overall: Connor McDavid
Buffalo 2nd Overall: Jack Eichel
Arizona 3rd Overall: Dylan Strome
Toronto 4th Overall: Mitchell Marner
Carolina 5th Overall: Noah Hanifin

It's a good example of taking a path forward to maximize their own draft lottery %. A bottom two finish is important. You want to give yourself a shot at 1st or 2nd overall (3rd overall is in that conversation this year as well).

Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel are both foundational pieces. McKenna, and Stenberg could be that, although at wing they may not be as important - however, look at that impact drop once you get beyond those top two picks.

So while they didn't tank going into the season, which is not what we're talking about at this point with the Flames anyways - we're talking about seeing the opportunity in front of them, that their play has earned. Embrace this season in a proactive way - that's what I'd like to see. More proactive than what Edmonton did, as their trades I believe didn't happen until the trade deadline.

The Flames have traded bigger names than that...Ras is being traded 100%. Coleman and Kadri arent finishing their contracts here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Flames were willing to re-sign them if they would meet their price. Supposedly.
Players would have re-signed if Flames met their price. Supposedly.

I don't think we'll ever know who had the more reasonable ask to figure out which side had more conviction in staying vs. leaving. Hard to really care at this point.

I know for a fact Lindholm made them an offer they could have signed and it would have been done

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames have traded bigger names than that...Ras is being traded 100%. Coleman and Kadri arent finishing their contracts here.

How do you know any of this?

The media has said Andersson might re sign. And has said the other 2 are not being traded unless they ask out.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I know for a fact Lindholm made them an offer they could have signed and it would have been done

We offered Lindholm a big contract in the summer and pulled the offer a bit later from what I heard. But he said no to us originally anyways. Saved us.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I know for a fact Lindholm made them an offer they could have signed and it would have been done

Didn't he turn down $9.5M? In some ways his asking for more saved the Flames as did his initial rejection.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames have traded bigger names than that...Ras is being traded 100%. Coleman and Kadri arent finishing their contracts here.

So we're aligned on that, I'm just hoping to see at least 2 of those 3 moved this season. Andersson is hopefully a lock like you mention, and then I hope they capitalize on at least 1 more of them this season - especially if the focus truly is on 2027, because the impact of maximizing our own 1st round pick + having the other pieces come into the fold in that timeframe is reasonable.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Didn't he turn down $9.5M? In some ways his asking for more saved the Flames as did his initial rejection.

I believe it was $8.5M. your point still stands.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Oilers did embrace their futility, which the Flames still may do (although it is not what they're saying) - but what they did kind of aligns with what I'm hoping to see.

They made the following sell-off trades:

Jeff Petry for a 2nd + 5th
David Perron for 1st

That's effectively the equivalent of trading Rasmus Andersson and 1 of Nazem Kadri or Blake Coleman in the Flames current world (Flames may be better positioned from a returns perspective).

Edmonton finished with the 3rd best odds (11.5%) trailing Buffalo (20%), and Arizona (13.5%) while Toronto had 9.5%.

Edmonton 1st Overall: Connor McDavid
Buffalo 2nd Overall: Jack Eichel
Arizona 3rd Overall: Dylan Strome
Toronto 4th Overall: Mitchell Marner
Carolina 5th Overall: Noah Hanifin

It's a good example of taking a path forward to maximize their own draft lottery %. A bottom two finish is important. You want to give yourself a shot at 1st or 2nd overall (3rd overall is in that conversation this year as well).

Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel are both foundational pieces. McKenna, and Stenberg could be that, although at wing they may not be as important - however, look at that impact drop once you get beyond those top two picks.

So while they didn't tank going into the season, which is not what we're talking about at this point with the Flames anyways - we're talking about seeing the opportunity in front of them, that their play has earned. Embrace this season in a proactive way - that's what I'd like to see. More proactive than what Edmonton did, as their trades I believe didn't happen until the trade deadline.

Petry was an expiring contract of course,plsu he requested a trade. Perron had zero trade impediments in his contract, and he was only 26 when the Oilers traded him. He also all but demanded a trade when they started losing. They didn't trade Pouliot (they did buy him out after the season), Andrew Ference, Matt Hendricks, and in fact they went out and got some older guys like Purcell, Roy, Aulie...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Psytic

But he is a San Francisco guy now isn't he ? Does he care about the Flames.

Doesn't Murray Edwards live in Europe?

The Sens new owner didn't really have direct connections to Ottawa (born in France, grew up in Montreal, and later lived in Toronto).

I think the Pens were also purchased by a non-local group.

I bet with the Flames, there would be outside interest especially with the sweet new arena.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Flames were willing to re-sign them if they would meet their price. Supposedly.
Players would have re-signed if Flames met their price. Supposedly.

I don't think we'll ever know who had the more reasonable ask to figure out which side had more conviction in staying vs. leaving. Hard to really care at this point.

Tanev was term, not price. But it never seemed serious anyway. It was obvious he was going.