[Rumour] UPD: Flames are done for the day. Zucker deal does not go through

[Jiggy]

This isn't word for word what I heard, but close enough. In the summertime I asked someone who is part of the organization what happened with the trade, I was told it had to do with how much salary Minny was going to retain. A number was agreed on and was changed at the last minute by Minny. The Flames at that point tried to get everything sorted (they look at cap and financial considerations beyond the current year) on their end but the deadline passed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Sucker does not put any team over the top. Glad it didn't happen.

Ah.

So never make deals to make the team better. Only make deals if they put the team over the top.

In other words, never make trades then.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Sucker does not put any team over the top. Glad it didn't happen.

So a move either puts us over the top or you don't make it? That's an odd strategy that would leave most teams in permanent rebuilds.

And what is over the top? A clear cut Stanley Cup favourite? If that's the case, our over the top trade likely isn't coming and we should pack it in.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jayswin

So a move either puts us over the top or you don't make it? That's an odd strategy that would leave most teams in permanent rebuilds.

And what is over the top? A clear cut Stanley Cup favourite? If that's the case, our over the top trade likely isn't coming and we should pack it in.

To add to that, there is so much parity these days that it is almost impossible to determine who is a clear cut favourite from year to year. It's to the point that if you make the playoffs, you have a decent chance.

Gone are the days of playoff upsets being all that surprising or shocking. If you are a playoff team, you're a reasonable contender IMO.

[memphusk]

No it says that he would become another small winger here. This team sorely needs someone with size that uses it and can play.

[Strange Brew]

Any time you trade a meaningful draft pick you will be better in the short term. But IMO it’s a perfectly reasonable position to conclude the organization is better off having kept its 1st rounder than with Zucker on the team and that you’re betting off keeping your powder dry in search of a bigger deal. Or you know, develop your own difference makers.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by AC

Wasn't the report that Treliving was finally given full autonomy the LAST time he signed?

From 2017:




I guess he doesn't need Ken King's permission but still needs Murray Edwards'? I'm sure it's not unusual around the NHL, but it's frustrating hearing about all the close calls the teams has to big trades that could have made a significant difference falling through because of ownership issues.

That Bishop trade and extension would have happened the year that Elliott #### the bed in the playoffs against Anaheim.

Didn't Fleury also say he thought he was going to be a flame and it fell through for some reason at last moment? Maybe Edwards knew Big Save Dave was going to be the real deal , so he nixed Bishop and Fleury trade.

[dustygoon]

I'd rather have JT Miller for that price.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by memphusk

No it says that he would become another small winger here. This team sorely needs someone with size that uses it and can play.

Couldn't disagree more. The Flames just need someone who is fast and can consistently produce.

Colorado didn't crush Calgary because of Calgary's lack of size.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I came across a great way to distill the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire a few weeks back.

Imagine every dollar is one second. If you have a million dollars, that equates to roughly 11 days.

At a dollar a second, a billion dollars is 31.5 years, ish.

That's why Murray Edwards shouldn't be pinching pennies over $3M this way or that. Because it's one month vs 46 years (assuming an accurate read on Edwards' net worth @ $1.5B).

Except the difference was a $3m commitment vs a $22.5m commitment as Zucker is signed through 2022-23.

Also billionaires don't become billionaires by squandering money on on things they consider bad investments.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Couldn't disagree more. The Flames just need someone who is fast and can consistently produce.

Colorado didn't crush Calgary because of Calgary's lack of size.

Then we will agree to disagree. Even if they had beat Colorado, they wouldn't of went any further .

[rhino]

I am here representing PETA. You people must be held accountable for this ongoing crime of beating a dead horse. 🤪

[Burner]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Then we will agree to disagree. Even if they had beat Colorado, they wouldn't of went any further .

If they had been playing well enough to beat Colorado - there is no saying what would have happened in the second round

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I came across a great way to distill the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire a few weeks back.

Imagine every dollar is one second. If you have a million dollars, that equates to roughly 11 days.

At a dollar a second, a billion dollars is 31.5 years, ish.

That's why Murray Edwards shouldn't be pinching pennies over $3M this way or that. Because it's one month vs 46 years (assuming an accurate read on Edwards' net worth @ $1.5B).

Well, you learned a way to illustrate the difference between a million and a billion. But you definitely missed the lesson on how to become or remain a billionaire.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, you learned a way to illustrate the difference between a million and a billion. But you definitely missed the lesson on how to become or remain a billionaire.

I’ve Had experience with Edwards, way back when he got the Skiing Louise businesses out of CCAA restructuring. He has never spent money without a lot of thought. That’s why he’s who he is. Plus, a million bucks is a million bucks no matter how much you make. Those guys don’t look at it as a percentage of their net worth. Edwards in particular was not born rich so he has a real handle on what money means.

“Net worth” is also a pretty phone way of looking at it as well. Edwards’ net worth includes shares in private companies like CSEG which he can’t just sell (because of internal agreements) and public companies like CNR, which he can’t just turn into cash overnight because of exchange and securities rules, and which fluctuates a lot depending on share price. It also includes his real estate, which is obviously not fungible. So while he’s got plenty of disposable income, it’s not in the billions.

Back in my experience with him, I overheard him talking to Flames management about player signings. He said something like “It’s your budget - hell, sign Jagr if you want”. This was back when Jagr was maybe the best player in the league, so he was basically saying it was the GM’s job to put the team together with whatever money he was allowed by the owners.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I came across a great way to distill the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire a few weeks back.

Imagine every dollar is one second. If you have a million dollars, that equates to roughly 11 days.

At a dollar a second, a billion dollars is 31.5 years, ish.

That's why Murray Edwards shouldn't be pinching pennies over $3M this way or that. Because it's one month vs 46 years (assuming an accurate read on Edwards' net worth @ $1.5B).

I think this only works if Edwards had less than 33 days to live...

[heep223]

There are billionaires who pinch every penny, and billionaires who don’t care about $3M here or there.

Likewise in most socioeconomic groups.

It’s asinine to generalize.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by heep223

There are billionaires who pinch every penny, and billionaires who don’t care about $3M here or there.

Likewise in most socioeconomic groups.

It’s asinine to generalize.

The thing as well is that Edwards isn’t the sole owner. If ownership has to be consulted over a higher price than was agreed to before, they may have some sort of decision making mechanism which isn’t instantaneous.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's to the point that if you make the playoffs, you have a decent chance.


.

Actually, no team has a decent chance in the playoffs, the odds are always long, even for the team considered the best.



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[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by rhino

I am here representing PETA. You people must be held accountable for this ongoing crime of beating a dead horse. 🤪

I was wondering why this thread is still ongoing. Who cares?