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Old 11-01-2016, 01:09 PM   #741
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Latest polls looking pretty ugly for Clinton. Trump now at 30% on 538. He's moved up four percentage points since this morning. Yikes.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...-forecast#plus
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:14 PM   #742
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Ugh. This is distressing. I just have to keep reminding myself that she only needs one of Colorado, Nevada or NC...
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:32 PM   #743
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:37 PM   #744
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Ugh. This is distressing. I just have to keep reminding myself that she only needs one of Colorado, Nevada or NC...
Just wait until the Wisconsin poll comes out tomorrow. Trump was trending ahead there last time until the tape came out. I expect it'll be very close.
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:43 PM   #745
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It's a Democrat ploy. Get a poll out that says it's close to ensure people aren't complacent and do go vote. Since neither candidate in compelling, the Democrats need to make sure they get every vote out they can as a bunch of apathetic voters who stay home is a big risk to them and the way Trump gets through. Put the fear of Trump in everyone's head to make sure they are scared/worried about it and vote.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:08 PM   #747
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:28 PM   #748
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So if you look at the aggregate of the polls Hillary is still sitting at 49% so she is not bleeding support. People are coming home to Trump. This likely would have happened with or without the latest scandal.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:37 PM   #749
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So if you look at the aggregate of the polls Hillary is still sitting at 49% so she is not bleeding support. People are coming home to Trump. This likely would have happened with or without the latest scandal.
Yeah. Trump is simply picking up the support from Johnson that were never going to vote third party anyways. Happens every election
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:00 PM   #750
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See this is where polling and early voting data can be confusing. All of the information we've seen from North Carolina suggests Hillary is doing quite well. And then today comes and this poll has her well behind...

NC: Trump 51, Clinton 44 (WRAL/SurveyUSA)
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:03 PM   #751
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I thought 538 also relied a bit more on trends too. So if it went from looking "really bad" to just "bad" or "somewhat bad", then the forecast projects that the trend will continue in that direction?

With the election so close now, that factor is likely lessened though, but that could be a reason Trump is seeing a sudden jump in his chances.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:05 PM   #752
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The reality is probably that most people haven't made up their minds yet. Not surprising, given that both candidates are overwhelminginly despised by a majority of the electorate.
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The reality is probably that most people haven't made up their minds yet. Not surprising, given that both candidates are overwhelminginly despised by a majority of the electorate.
In the 2016 world of politics, at least 70% of the population is voting for one of the two parties regardless of who the nominee is. So most people's minds are made up years ago when they chose one side. 70% of 2020's vote is already locked in.
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In the 2016 world of politics, at least 70% of the population is voting for one of the two parties regardless of who the nominee is. So most people's minds are made up years ago when they chose one side. 70% of 2020's vote is already locked in.
So you've got 30% swing voters. That's enough to explain the high degree of variance across the spectrum.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:17 PM   #755
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Yeah but even then you can break down that 30% into leaners and likelys. I think the true number of actual undecides is between 10-15%. Decent chunk of people, but it's also why the concept of "independents" is misguided. Most "independents" vote consistently for one of the two parties, they just don't want the label attached.
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Series of tweets on FL early voters breakdown.

https://twitter.com/steveschale/stat...69309255692289
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Losing FL would be almost insurmountable for Trump. If they can just get Hispanics out to vote down there it'll be over.
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The reality is probably that most people haven't made up their minds yet. Not surprising, given that both candidates are overwhelminginly despised by a majority of the electorate.
I strongly disagree with this. There are a lot of people who are undecided about whether or not they'll actually vote but probably know which candidate they would vote for, and some who are undecided about whether or not to vote for a third party candidate or not, but the number of people still on the fence about Clinton vs. Trump is probably tiny. If you were undecided last week, you probably just aren't going to vote. That's why you don't see Clinton's numbers dropping much as Trump's numbers rise. This isn't about voters shifting camps at this point.

I think the latest 'scandal' motivates the Republican base in a huge way, but doesn't swing a lot of undecideds. Some reluctant Clinton voters might decide not to vote, and some reluctant Trump voters will decide to vote.

That said, ground-game is the thing that best insulates you against having reluctant voters; if there's a mass of reluctant Clinton voters and the Democrats have the ground game to know who they are, all it often takes is a phone-call reminding them of the importance of their vote. So while I don't think it's in the bag for Clinton, I do think it's still strongly in her favour. At the same time, this probably makes up for Trump's lack of ground game in a major way.

I'm going to be closely watching the early voting trends in NC as a bellweather of change this week. Democrat early voting has been great so far, but a decline in Democrat early voting compared to Republican early voting could be an important predictor.

It's important when looking at the 538 model is that it is the most aggressive of any of the forecasters in terms of trying to identify and react to trends (compare it to the NY Times model that still has Clinton at 88%). I'm not saying to discount 538's model, just keep in mind that it is specifically designed to latch on to changes in momentum like this, which right now does look like the right decision because it's moving more than other projections as a reaction to an event that intuitively 'should' move the projections.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:53 PM   #759
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Losing FL would be almost insurmountable for Trump. If they can just get Hispanics out to vote down there it'll be over.
Not all Hispanics are Mexican or democrats so Trump's insults may not resonate as much. For example there are a lot of anti-Cuban Cubans, over a million. They usually vote Republican we'll see how that changes here.

Democrats often group all the ethnic groups as one but within these groups there are many differences.
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The people who identify as Hispanic Dems, I'm thinking of. They have to get out and vote.

I say they just let elementary kids decide the election. K-12 students:

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