[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

C'mon man, that is bunk. Running him out of town? I haven't seen anyone say "this guy sucks, don't care the return, get rid of him now". Pretty much every post about trading him is IF the price is right. No one is talking buyout or anything along those lines. Glenny was a great player here for years and got one of the best nicknames from fans ever. No one is discounting his years of service, however you can't turn a blind eye to his play this year. He has been effectively passed by a rookie & a 3rd year player on the depth chart (hell even Mason Raymond has out played him the last dozen games) and hasn't given any reason to warrant PP time. 0 points in his last 10 games & his worst point total / 82 GP in 5 years. If/when he is traded you probably won't find anyone here disparaging him, in fact I'd say most will wish him well and root for him on his new team (as long as they're not playing the Flames). Curtis was a very good player here for years who took a discount to stay here which is admirable. However, when you have NHL caliber players knocking on the door and you can get another asset back in a trade, that's just good player management.

[Dion]

Glencross talks about the possible trade and life as a Calgary Flames

“It is tough,” Glencross said. “We’re expecting our third child in April, here. It’s just one of those things where there’s nothing you can really do about it. It’s part of the business, part of the game. It kind of is what it is.

“I get the ultimate say at the end of the day. So, I guess we’ll see what happens.”

“Last time we were in this situation was (the 2011) trade deadline,” Glencross recalls. “When they kind of gave me the ultimatum — ‘Sign, or else were going to trade you.’ We said we weren’t going to take that deal and said we were going to wait and see what happened. We signed when the season was over … it’s a different situation (now).”

“It’s a tough situation to be in,” Glencross said. “I’ve been in Calgary for seven years now and absolutely love the organization and have a lot of respect for the people upstairs. The fans are great, I love this city, and I’ve been fortunate enough to call it home for seven years, to be at home and play in front of friends and family. Ultimately, it’s a perfect scenario for me.”

“The whole idea four years ago was, I’ll play at home and I’ll take a hometown discount to stay here, we’ll bring in a few more players to make our team better,” he said. “It’s just unfortunate the situation I’m in.

“I’m at the point in my career where I want to win a Cup. I love what’s going on here and I have a lot of good friends in this dressing room and we have a good group of guys. We play for the 20 other guys in this room every night. And if it comes to a situation where I am going to have to leave, I’m going to miss a lot of guys in here.

“But I’ve gotta think about what’s best for myself and my family.”

Glencross was asked — point-blank — if he wanted to stay in Calgary.

“It’s tough right now,” he said. “It’s not really my decision — it’s the coaches’ decision and an upstairs decision. I don’t really know what’s going to happen.”

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[Tinordi]

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Oiler-esque: A term to describe anything I disagree with

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

It is sometimes difficult for people to separate the player and the person.

Personally, I like Curtis Glencross the person. Similarly, I like and liked Craig Conroy the person back when he was playing.

However, the Flames currently have about 20 forwards that could play in the NHL legitimately right now. It is a numbers game. Glencross being a veteran on an expiring contract is one of the first players that would and should get cut in lieu of a younger player that could replace his production in the lineup (Granlund/Sven/Poirier/Bennett). Similarly back towards the end of Conroy's career a lot of people, myself included, did not want Conroy back for his last season because most of us felt we needed room for younger players. That did not negate anyone's feelings towards Conroy the person though, which we all saw the outpouring of celebration of his career as a Flame once he did hang them up, as well as the support we have for him in his role in management.

Unfortunately, Glencross is caught in a numbers game that marks him as the odd man out moving forward. Players like Mason Raymond, Brandon Bollig, David Jones, Matt Stajan and others could also find themselves in that type of position in the coming seasons as their contracts come closer to expiring. Glencross' had the misfortune of being the first one up on the docket to deal with.

I know I will be wishing him nothing but the best moving forward, but unfortunately his time as a Flame appears to be coming to an end.

[Tinordi]

The NHL is slowly moving toward the NFL model when it comes to player personnel. In the NFL with very tight margins in a 16 game season between championship calibre, winning and losing, personnel decisions are made with a ruthlessness that would make Machiavelli smile.

Peyton Manning, the face of the franchise, the Iginla of Indianapolis, lead them to a championship, and is their all-time greatest player. But he was unceremoniously released after he was injured and after he just signed a $90 million contract. The Colts basically calculated that Manning would not lead them to another championship after they forced to rebuild and moved on with ruthless efficiency. It worked out for Indianapolis as well, that cold-eyed realism drafted them Andrew Luck.

Now the NHL is famous for it being a boys club and for the honour and commitment felt between players and organizations. But, the successful teams will be the ones who pay little to sentimentality and who maximize the assets they have available to them. Look no further than the Iginla and Friends era which was a performance art project on the problem of putting people and relationships above business and performance.

Getting back to Glencross, sure he appears to be a nice guy but that's neither here nor there. Either you're part of the movement to build a contender or you're not. And if you're not well, thank you for your time but we paid you fairly and we treated you well and we wish you all the best.

[T@T]

“The whole idea four years ago was, I’ll play at home and I’ll take a hometown discount to stay here

Well Curtis may I remind you that you made $10 million bucks these last 4 years on this "discount" but because of your made of glass body you missed almost a whole season with injury and had an average of 31 points per season.

In other words buddy...discount my arse!

But don't worry, some dummy GM with give you a huge raise.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well Curtis may I remind you that you made $10 million bucks these last 4 years on this "discount" but because of your made of glass body you missed almost a whole season with injury and had an average of 31 points per season.

In other words buddy...discount my arse!

But don't worry, some dummy GM with give you a huge raise.

What a strange post. How did he not take a discount? He could have easily gotten $4M+ last time. He left at least 6M on the table.

[KipperFaNaTic]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well Curtis may I remind you that you made $10 million bucks these last 4 years on this "discount" but because of your made of glass body you missed almost a whole season with injury and had an average of 31 points per season.

In other words buddy...discount my arse!

But don't worry, some dummy GM with give you a huge raise.

No need to villainize Glencross who has bled red since his time here. At the time of his signing 2.5 was a bargain considering that others like Stajan were making more.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

What a strange post. How did he not take a discount? He could have easily gotten $4M+ last time. He left at least 6M on the table.

I never said he didn't take a discount, not sure about $4m at the time though, but his last 4 years he himself shouldn't be talking about a bargain but yet he is talking about it.

Boo hoo.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Perhaps, but none of that is really Glencross' concern from his perspective. He was at one point set on only going to the Ducks.

IMO only reason to expand his list is that a) Anaheim doesn't really want him b) Flames asked him to so they could try and create a bidding war in an attempt to increase Anaheim's offer

I suppose you could make a case that Treliving told him to expand his list or he would finish the season as a Flame, but who would want a malcontent on the team.

If the price isn't right, and he's quit on the team (and I'm not saying that either of these conditions are in place, let alone both), I'd rather scratch him than send him to the competition.

In a standard trade deadline scenario the player has no on-ice value to the selling team. That's why the "would you want the Flames to pay a first for a Glencross?" analogies don't really hold for me. Giving up a lot to a team for something that's worth nothing to them is what makes a lot of rentals rip-offs. That doesn't apply for the Flames and Glencross, because we can actually use him, and we don't want to play against him.

In that context, I don't like trading him for a 2nd-round pick. Rather have him around, or at least out of the way.

[calgaryboy]

Fan of moving GlenX here. My least favourite Flame, floating around, not giving 100% in 99% of games. Said it many times, he is the last piece of the old slow Flames team before this rebuild begun IMO. Absolutely useless player for this up-tempo game under Hartley. Streaky scorer, had some very good times when his game was on I know, but time to go for him. I think we have many players able to fill his roster spot in a much better way. Still wish him all the best! Go Flames! Greetings from Czech republic to every CPer!

[Dr. Doom]

As one poster has pointed out maybe a large part of him floating around could be this weighing on him? C'mon people need to be a bit more rational here this guy doesn't deserve to be stoned the way he has been.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Oiler-esque: A term to describe anything I disagree with

Pulling a Tinordi: Throwing a thinly veiled, passive agressive insult at someone I disagree with.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I think Glencross was given the benefit of the doubt for longer than his play justified. Most of the season his play didn't equate to a Top 6 role, yet we has still put into prime positions. He was expected to become a goal scoring leader on this young team, and he failed to live up to expectations. The fact that the coaches have adjusted, and started putting him in a role that plays to his current strengths is not a slight against Glencross...it just shows that his game has changed, and it's not what he thinks it is.

He has 8 goals in 49 games. Injuries have been an issue, but when you have less goals than 10 players on your team...a list which includes, Josh Jooris, David Jones, and Mason Raymond (who have all played less games than Glencross), 3 defensemen, 2 rookies (including the mentioned Jooris) and a 4th like energy guy in Lance Bouma... reality says that you're probably not a Top 6 guy anymore.

The Flames have been more than fair to Curtis. He's just simply not the player he thinks he is.

While Glencross' goal production has gone down, I am rather curious to know what makes you think that a guy who is fourth among forwards in team scoring is not a top-six forward for this team.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by T@T

I never said he didn't take a discount, not sure about $4m at the time though, but his last 4 years he himself shouldn't be talking about a bargain but yet he is talking about it.

Boo hoo.

Then why did you put the word discount in quotations and bold it? Sure seems to me like you were saying Glencross' deal wasn't a discount.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

What a strange post. How did he not take a discount? He could have easily gotten $4M+ last time. He left at least 6M on the table.

There are certain people on this forum who take bitter, mindless hatred to embarrassing extremes.

These same "fans" are going to be trashing Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, etc., and trying to run them out of town soon enough as well.

[Robo]

I don't hate glencross but it's pretty obvious his time in Calgary is coming to an end. I hope he gets a classy goodbye from the flames faithful tonight because he has earned it.

[Erick Estrada]

Not a fan of the player discussing in the media that he took a discount in his last contract. Not handled well at all by Glencross. Maybe if he talked after being traded it wouldn't be as big a deal but it sounds a little selfish to come out and say all this stuff in the middle or a playoff race.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The NHL is slowly moving toward the NFL model when it comes to player personnel. In the NFL with very tight margins in a 16 game season between championship calibre, winning and losing, personnel decisions are made with a ruthlessness that would make Machiavelli smile.

Peyton Manning, the face of the franchise, the Iginla of Indianapolis, lead them to a championship, and is their all-time greatest player. But he was unceremoniously released after he was injured and after he just signed a $90 million contract. The Colts basically calculated that Manning would not lead them to another championship after they forced to rebuild and moved on with ruthless efficiency. It worked out for Indianapolis as well, that cold-eyed realism drafted them Andrew Luck.

Now the NHL is famous for it being a boys club and for the honour and commitment felt between players and organizations. But, the successful teams will be the ones who pay little to sentimentality and who maximize the assets they have available to them. Look no further than the Iginla and Friends era which was a performance art project on the problem of putting people and relationships above business and performance.

Getting back to Glencross, sure he appears to be a nice guy but that's neither here nor there. Either you're part of the movement to build a contender or you're not. And if you're not well, thank you for your time but we paid you fairly and we treated you well and we wish you all the best.

You make it seem like Indianapolis drafting Luck was as a result of some shrewd move to cut Manning when in fact, it was Manning getting hurt, being forced to sit out an entire season and the Colts going 2-14 as a result, that allowed them to draft Luck in the first place. If Manning doesn't get hurt, the Colts don't go 2-14 and they don't draft Luck, simple as that. It has nothing to do with "the problem of putting people and relationships above business and performance" as you put it. In fact, all Manning did two years after the Colts cut him was set the NFL record for touchdown passes in a season. The jury is still out as to whether or not cutting Manning was the best move for the Colts as Manning has been the better quarterback over the last three years. And now that it looks like he is playing this coming year, he may very well be the better quarter back again this year.

I'm tired of the implication that keeping Glencross and good asset management are mutally exclusive. It may very well be that the draft pick or prospect that the Flames get for him will work out well, and it may very well be that there is a someone in Adirondack who can do the job that he is doing. But things could just as easily go the other way.

[sureLoss]

Kind of ironic that Boomer is talking about the discount Glencross took.

IIRC Boomer was mocking the contract when it was first announced as an overpayment to the point Glencross' father called the Fan 960 to complain.